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It's true even with Medicaid you can run up large bills.

Medicaid will try to collect from you, asking you (in effect) to hit up family for money. But if that well is dry (it usually is), then Medicaid just foots the whole bill.

this isn't happening in the several states in which i'm an expert. where is it happening then?

03-21-2015 , 06:30 PM

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The so-called "clawback" provision, the asset-recovery provision of Medicaid, was enacted in 1993 by Congress in response to rising Medicaid administrative costs. States were compelled to try to recover costs from the estates of the deceased who used the program for long-term care, either via liens placed on an individual's home or claims on their assets. There was also an option for states to recover other routine medical care expenses. The expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act made more residents eligible for Medicaid. The state and federal government as of February 2014 have not clarified clawback guidelines, triggering complaints from consumers and advocacy groups from the uncertainty.[19]

i'll concede that we're both right.

so if it's free or not generally depends on how many conservatives are around you.

03-21-2015 , 06:39 PM

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Pretty much every state, particularly the ones that use private "community" plans to administer Medicaid.. The whole system is built on the idea "everyone should pay what they can and then the state will pick up the rest."

The OOP costs are still low relative to those of private plans but you do pay copays and coinsurance. Most states even charge some recipients premiums to be on Medicaid.

You just will never go bankrupt because before you go bankrupt you'll be below the threshold where you pay nothing.

PS: people should never get a private insurance without an OOP cap.

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03-21-2015 , 06:39 PM

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what about my other points the indicate that the public is left-leaning? i assume can't poker holes in that. one of them has 90% approval.

can't poke holes in my other points (hell, you could hardly poke holes in this), can't poker holes in the people's budget. that should be the last of ikes ITT.

03-21-2015 , 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by grizy

Pretty much every state, particularly the ones that use private "community" plans to administer Medicaid.. I wasn't even talking about claw-backs. That's so tricky and politically tenuous (asking for money right after a loved one dies is not a good look) I am not sure how much it will be enforced.

The costs are still low relative to private plans but you do pay copays and coinsurance. Most states even charge some recipients premiums to be on the plan.

You just will never go bankrupt because before you reach that point you'll be below the threshold where you pay nothing.

define this "most states" thing. like i said, i know poors in nevada/washington (which are two different ends of the political spectrum), who aren't asked to pay anything. it's literally free health care.

some work (but make within 150% of poverty line, or whatever it is), others are completely destitute and can't pay anything. neither group is required to pay anything.

my father had easily 10k worth of testing and **** done, payed nothing.

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03-21-2015 , 06:44 PM

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looooooooooooooooooooooooool one of them has 90% approval!

03-21-2015 , 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

this isn't happening in the several states in which i'm an expert. where is it happening then?

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03-21-2015 , 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

define this "most states" thing. like i said, i know poors in nevada/washington (which are two different ends of the political spectrum), who aren't asked to pay anything. it's literally free health care.

some work (but make within 150% of poverty line, of whatever it is), others are completely destitute and can't pay anything. neither group is required to pay anything.

my father had easily 10k worth of testing and **** done, payed nothing.

I'm pretty sure your father is not above 150% FPL. I honestly don't remember seeing a single state's Medicaid with zero copay for someone above 150% FPL.

You just need to give a list of the states you know people with 150%+FPS on Medicaid that literally pays nothing and I will admit I was wrong.

03-21-2015 , 06:54 PM

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In other words, the percentage of Americans who favor breaking up the big banks – either directly through government intervention or indirectly by pulling the plug on their artificial, taxpayer-funded perpetual-bailout life support – is in the 80%-90% range.

03-21-2015 , 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by grizy

if you're above that, you are forced to fend for yourself. even if that means choosing between food and insurance.

i'm saying my father makes nothing and pays nothing. and so do people i know making like 15k.

i've told you nevada medicaid doesn't charge poors anything. IT IS LITERALLY FREE!! doesn't matter if you're stone busto (like my dad) or actually work but make a small amount (like 110% of FPL).

03-21-2015 , 07:07 PM

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yeah i found your source.... guess what, it doesn't support your contention that they are liberal. The poll you're citing doesn't even show 50% for directly breaking them up (the rest comes from people wanting to remove support) and the poll question is just massively bad.

03-21-2015 , 07:09 PM

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Dude it's time to stop. You don't have access to your acquaintances finances and they aren't telling you what they are paying for medicaid. You're a liar.

03-21-2015 , 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Dude it's time to stop. You don't have access to your acquaintances finances and they aren't telling you what they are paying for medicaid. You're a liar.

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The Mountain State is one of only 11 without co-payments for medical services, according to a report from the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured. Six states have no co-payments at all: Connecticut, Hawaii, Nevada, New Jersey, Rhode Island and Texas. - See more at: http://www.charlestondailymail.com/N....YgS9clWR.dpuf

yep, i'm a liar. and you're allergic to evidence/facts.

03-21-2015 , 07:36 PM

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lol ikes, run along before you embarrass yourself further.

03-21-2015 , 07:38 PM

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lol you do realize that means 44 states have copays... including Washington, a state you were an 'expert' on?

03-21-2015 , 07:47 PM

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ok, so in 6 states medicaid is ABSOLUTELY FREE. walk it back.

03-21-2015 , 07:56 PM

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lol how tilted are you? That means medicaid isn't free and you're wrong. Not the other way around.

03-21-2015 , 07:59 PM

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my proclamation about being an expert on WA's medicaid system comes from talking to my busto sister who had to have and operation and told me, "no co-pay."

and of course all nevada busto's pay nothing. we can see how i figured that most states that expanded medicaid didn't require co-pays.

thus, i could conclude that if you support ACA, you'd support single payer. right? because if you're fine with poors getting free HC, that's the single payer system, except for everyone.

these aren't big leaps i'm taking here, ikes. hell, they aren't leaps period.

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03-21-2015 , 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

my proclamation about being an expert on WA's medicaid system comes from talking to my busto sister who had to have and operation and told me, "no co-pay."

and of course all nevada busto's pay nothing. we can see how i figured that most states that expanded medicaid didn't require co-pays.

thus, i could conclude that if you support ACA, you'd support single payer. right? because if you're fine with poors getting free HC, that's the single payer system, except for everyone.

these are big leaps i'm taking here, ikes. hell, they aren't leaps period.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

You do know that writing isn't random phrases put together?

03-21-2015 , 08:04 PM

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lol how tilted are you? That means medicaid isn't free and you're wrong. Not the other way around.

how do you figure? it's absolutely free in many states.

as i said in a post earlier today, i'd concede that we're both right, on this one point.

03-21-2015 , 08:06 PM

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ikes and logic go together like piss and OJ.

03-21-2015 , 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PoundingTheUnder

how do you figure? it's absolutely free in many states.

as i said in a post earlier today, i'd concede that we're both right, on this one point.

Dude medicaid isn't free in 44 out of 50 states. If it was free it'd be free in 50 of 50 states. It's not even close. It's over. You just stupidly cited something that destroyed every contention you made on the subject and make yourself look like a complete fool. Watching it was truly entertaining. Please keep it up.

03-21-2015 , 08:17 PM

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i'd argue that even with the co-pays, it's 'basically' free. you saw the maximum numbers. and lets not forget, completely free in 6 states.

we were both right, but i was more right, because you refused to believe it was free in any. i at least accepted that some states might have co-pays.

03-21-2015 , 08:30 PM

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only ikes could employ logic in this fashion.

here's the way to look at it. 40+% are fine with busto's in 6 states getting an 'absolutely free ride'. another almost 20% don't think the ACA is liberal enough.

a reasonable person would conclude that 60+% of americans would support a single payer system.

logic bro. not some ideological question from gallop.

(it's a wrap bro, you've been crushed)