Occupy Wall Street: Solidarity Thread for 2+2ers

[Alex Wice]

Originally Posted by rageotones

what's discriminatory?

what should i be listening to?

my biggest beef with the occupy movement is that they're blowing their load w/out having consistent goals and reasonable demands/solutions.

Its hard to come up with the solution. These people, all they know is they are being ****ed over so bad that they need to protest about it.

everyone keeps talking about how "at least they're doing something" or some other mumbo jumbo about how it's better to be disorganized than to sit back and accept the status quo.

well, i completely disagree. it kind of goes along with only being getting one chance to make a first impression.

instead of inspiring the masses, they are turning off millions of people who might otherwise agree with their views.

Actually the masses have been inspired with protests all over the world.

also, i get extremely frustrated...as it has probably been made clear...when people just sit there and place all of the blame on the evil banks that caused all of this mess.

did the banks majorly f up? yes. was it entirely their fault? no

if we didn't live in a country of people living beyond their means using a buy now pay later mentality, maybe all of this wouldn't have happened.

but of course, that's probably the banks' fault too for giving us access to credit, right?

Personal responsibility didn't cause this situation -- people were irresponsible in the past and in the future. If you are a bank and you lend money super badly, in a decent world you go broke. In America money gets printed to pay back to you. It isn't a free society anymore. Because of these bailouts and for other reasons, people

and, how is this redistribution of CEO pay going to work? people keep camping out and griping until he/she decides, hey, maybe i should fork over 50% of my earnings to my employees. well, since that isn't going to happen, do you propose we need to make a law limiting CEO compensation? are you the one who gets to pick how much they can get paid?

how will this new economics work in your new world? so, someone without a job is willing to do a job for 40k, but the one doing it for 45k wants to be paid 50k. do you propose we just give them both the job at 50k?

tons of the arguments in this thread completely defy logic.

Only misunderstood people are calling for this.. its a strawman argument basically.

[Boa Hancock]

Originally Posted by Double Ice

Personal responsibility didn't cause this situation -- people were irresponsible in the past and in the future. If you are a bank and you lend money super badly, in a decent world you go broke. In America money gets printed to pay back to you. It isn't a free society anymore.

If the governemnt threatens a bank with penalties if they do not do things like lend to bad credit risks for government social engineering reasons, then the government is largely to blame for super bad lending in many cases.

Senator Dodd and congressman Frank, and others like Obama who supported Dodd-Frank really screwed over the American people. Remember that.

[T!ghterThanU]

You people don't seam to understand that the super rich control everything. They write laws that seamingly don't pertain to them. They take more and more leaving is less and less. Yes when you see a man with BILLIONS of dollars it is because of the people who work for him that can't pay their own bills. Even you who are against a cause that should be your own are getting ****ed. Back in the day men with semi decent jobs had wives at home taking care of the children. Now both parents work and there is often still no savings to speek of. You are all being brainwashed into thinking this movement is about bums and anarchist. This is not about whining college kids. This is about America saying we will not be enslaved by the super rich and smile about it.
Wake up to the fact that you will never be the 1% because that illusion is the most dangerous lie you've ever been told.

[justin]

If the governemnt threatens a bank with penalties if they do not do things like lend to bad credit risks for government social engineering reasons, then the government is largely to blame for super bad lending in many cases.

You can keep repeating this narrative to yourself but it won't make the statement any more factual. Then again I suppose pointing out the incorrectness of this statement over and over again is even more fruitless

[T!ghterThanU]

Originally Posted by codemanz4

OWS = losers

LOL

Are you a millionaire billionaire or just a confused person who hates people who speak for his interest.

[zikzak]

You can physically push protesters off public land but there’s no way the powers that be can push out the idea taking hold in America’s conscience --- that it is unacceptable for our economy to systematically benefit the rich while making it harder and harder for hardworking Americans to survive.

Taken from a very supportive editorial posted on... Fox News

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/...nt-evict-idea/

[longmissedblind]

Still going and taking my sign with a quote from the Port Huron statement. The dude abides afterall.

It's funny to see all the defining and suggesting going on about this movement. It's almost as if it's not normal for Americans to meet and discuss the workings of the system that's meant to represent them. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince everyone that discussions about politics and religion don't belong in a bar... which was precisely where they were held during the revolution.

[Michael Davis]

It really doesn't make sense to most people. They simply cannot comprehend a movement leaderless and outside of the normal political discourse. In addition, the movement empowers a bunch of people who previously had little or no voice, and the only way they can deal with a movement that includes homeless people and drug addicts is the same old tactics of demonization and dismissal because obviously these people are not symptoms of the system and they have proven themselves to be unworthy of being heard.

[rageotones]

Originally Posted by Michael Davis

It really doesn't make sense to most people. They simply cannot comprehend a movement leaderless and outside of the normal political discourse. In addition, the movement empowers a bunch of people who previously had little or no voice, and the only way they can deal with a movement that includes homeless people and drug addicts is the same old tactics of demonization and dismissal because obviously these people are not symptoms of the system and they have proven themselves to be unworthy of being heard.

yeah...cool story. everyone outside of your bubble does not have enough intelligence to possibly understand the profound, incomprehensible movement.

yet you, and others inside the bubble seem to have it all understood and figured out.

also, you need to realize that you have to come to grips with the fact that every single homeless or drug addicted person is not some product that had their destiny predetermined just like others need to realize everyone does not get an equal shot either.

[Michael Davis]

Well, I have no doubt that rageotones would have been a bankerboy lackey even in a world without such a thing as banks. So I guess you're right, some people are going to crap out no matter what the circumstances.

[plano]

Originally Posted by rageotones

yeah...cool story. everyone outside of your bubble does not have enough intelligence to possibly understand the profound, incomprehensible movement.

yet you, and others inside the bubble seem to have it all understood and figured out.

also, you need to realize that you have to come to grips with the fact that every single homeless or drug addicted person is not some product that had their destiny predetermined just like others need to realize everyone does not get an equal shot either.

Damn dude, you are such a shill. Blame the victim much? It is fact that capitalism must produce economic inequalities. This is all fine and good until those inequalities become disparaging.

One day, I hope, you will wake up with some humanity, empathy, and compassion. Is it so hard to comprehend that your view on everything does not fit with everyone else's? Seriously are you so enlightened?

When i read your posts i am sick to my stomach. That there are too many people like you who do not give a **** about the disenfranchised.

Perhaps, as a society, we should try to take care of those people...because if we want to, we can? The homeless and drug addicts are people too even if they dont measure up to your expectations.

From what I gather, from your posts, you suck as a human-being and are extremely selfish and dispassionate. When you start caring about someone other than yourself or someone close to you, your opinion may hold some weight.

[rageotones]

Originally Posted by plano

Damn dude, you are such a shill. Blame the victim much? It is fact that capitalism must produce economic inequalities. This is all fine and good until those inequalities become disparaging.

One day, I hope, you will wake up with some humanity, empathy, and compassion. Is it so hard to comprehend that your view on everything does not fit with everyone else's? Seriously are you so enlightened?

When i read your posts i am sick to my stomach. That there are too many people like you who do not give a **** about the disenfranchised.

Perhaps, as a society, we should try to take care of those people...because if we want to, we can? The homeless and drug addicts are people too even if they dont measure up to your expectations.

From what I gather, from your posts, you suck as a human-being and are extremely selfish and dispassionate. When you start caring about someone other than yourself or someone close to you, your opinion may hold some weight.

lol. i typically vote for democrats and constantly argues w/my conservative friends about things like unemployment, welfare etc. did you even read my post regarding the fact that it is clear everyone is not given an equal shot?

i just don't support this "movement" b/c people like you try to be the voice and make everyone out to be evil who doesn't see things your way. you've convinced yourself that you are right about everything and whatever you do is justified on some higher level that supersedes law and common sense.

edit: so awesome you're saying your sick to your stomach about my posts considering some of yours i've come across. epic lol.

[SHOT]

So now the pathetic drug addicts that riddle Portland are now poor, helpless victims?

I live in downtown Portland (South Waterfront to be exact), and the vast vast vast majority of these people are products of thier own accountability. Yes, capitilistic inequalities forced these people to get facial tattoos, smoke meth/heroin, and apply ZERO energy towards anything productive day-in-and-day-out. That must be it.

Give me a ****ing break...

[Pyramid_Scam]

Originally Posted by SHOT

So now the pathetic drug addicts that riddle Portland are now poor, helpless victims?

I live in downtown Portland (South Waterfront to be exact), and the vast vast vast majority of these people are products of thier own accountability. Yes, capitilistic inequalities forced these people to get facial tattoos, smoke meth/heroin, and apply ZERO energy towards anything productive day-in-and-day-out. That must be it.

Give me a ****ing break...

I can only imagine the amount of used, contaminated hypodermic needles/syringes all over the ground down there. Must be disgusting.

[SHOT]

Originally Posted by Pyramid_Scam

I can only imagine the amount of used, contaminated hypodermic needles/syringes all over the ground down there. Must be disgusting.

But they are just products of an unfair society! They were forced into it against their will! Lets all hold hands and cry for them!