Occupy Wall Street: Solidarity Thread for 2+2ers

[TwoThirtyTwo]

My response wasn't even directed at IRM.

[Fat-not-Thin Man]

Oops, looks like the Oscar Grant'ers did end up causing trouble after I went to bed...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BANI1LQ2HO.DTL

...good recognition by common sense bay area media that the problems where caused by the Oscar Grant outliners

[samsonh]

Originally Posted by rjoefish

I see you've finally met samsonh

Life's tough. It's really tough if you're dumb and make poor decisions. Most of these protesters are not smart enough to get ahead and they are blaming other people. That's really the heart of this protest movement.

Disagree if you like, but I think you know I'm right.

[rjoefish]

Originally Posted by samsonh

Life's tough. It's really tough if you're dumb and make poor decisions. Most of these protesters are not smart enough to get ahead and they are blaming other people. That's really the heart of this protest movement.

Disagree if you like, but I think you know I'm right.

No, I think you're wrong and just another mike_clark-esque type that's going to come in here, spew your crap, and disappear without ever looking at what's really going on. It's truly no different from any other thread you've ever posted in.

[Case Closed]

rjoefish is right. Disagree if you like, but I think you know he's right.

[LetsGambool]

Nice job smashing the Men's Warehouse store windows given that, AFAIK, they closed the store in solidarity with OccupyOakland.

[rjoefish]

nm found it

[Fat-not-Thin Man]

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Nice job smashing the Men's Warehouse store windows given that, AFAIK, they closed the store in solidarity with OccupyOakland.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...kland-clashes/

Around 2:40 in the video, men's warehouse is mentioned, but then she chokes on a pupe 'or something' and moves on.

[ItsRainingMen]

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Nice job smashing the Men's Warehouse store windows given that, AFAIK, they closed the store in solidarity with OccupyOakland.

[LetsGambool]

Read it in the sfgate article FWIW

[TomCollins]

Originally Posted by rjoefish

The thing is, there are a TON of jobs that don't require you to be skilled. It comes up in the union threads all the time where people think that you shouldn't make a good wage because you're easily replaceable. That's exactly how they see those workers also. Even skilled jobs it's getting similar as there are so many people out there that can do that type of job for the most part.

As for the bolded I think a lot of people feel the rich only care if their piece grows and are unconcerned if they do that at the expense of the others or how the rest grows. People seem to think that everyone should grow at a somewhat reasonable rate and not just certain people grow while others stagnate.

I think you are wrong about this. Look at unemployment rates among unskilled workers vs. workers that are highly educated and skilled. Sure, some of that is skewed by artificial restrictions like doctors and lawyers preventing too many graduates from coming into the field, but it's almost always lower the more skills needed.

I think we agree about the bold part. They only want a bigger piece, don't care what happens to the rest.

[Case Closed]

The breaking of windows was a classless act. Good to see that some protesters were keeping their distance from that stuff and documenting it. Violence is not the solution.

I am quite impressed with Mens Warehouse supporting the movement. I am in the market for some suits, I think I will purchase from there because of their support.

[rjoefish]

Originally Posted by TomCollins

I think you are wrong about this. Look at unemployment rates among unskilled workers vs. workers that are highly educated and skilled. Sure, some of that is skewed by artificial restrictions like doctors and lawyers preventing too many graduates from coming into the field, but it's almost always lower the more skills needed.

I think we agree about the bold part. They only want a bigger piece, don't care what happens to the rest.

I'm thinking mostly from my experience, which is only in 3 states so take it FWIW. Healthcare by and large has done very well the past few years but they used the recession as a reason to do a ton of cost cutting in terms of laying off and trying to win things back from contracts even though the companies were doing very well. The California contract I worked for, while it ended up being decent, they came in with huge take away proposals (which hadn't happened in past bargaining, it was out of the ordinary) even though they had made 2 billion in profits the year before.

Companies will use any reason they can to cut costs, increase production with fewer people, whatever it is. Sector doesn't matter that much.

Sure there are some areas that have trouble finding skilled workers and most are still paid well by comparison but there is certainly a push (or has been recently) to get them to do more with/for less.

[grizy]

Originally Posted by rjoefish

Those that require extensive training. When I wrote it I was thinking nursing, engineering, healthcare techs, trades, etc.

Those guys would only be out of jobs or underpaid if they just aren't good at their jobs.

They could have personality issues like poor work ethic or they could have just been outdated.

And as Tom Collins has pointed out, the more skilled you are, the more likely you are to have a job and the higher your average wages are likely to be.

It should make sense even to you that as economies and technologies grow more efficient, "skills" become more commonplace and less valuable. For example, not that long ago the ability to use MSFT Office was considered a plus on the resume. Now it's basically taken for granted.

The only skill that persists over long periods of time is your ability to learn more skills and constantly re-educate yourself. It's how the people on top stay on top.

[NameOnTheCake]

Originally Posted by heater

My buddy just said this to me the other day. "Why are all of these people acting like there's a finite amount of pie?"



this is the greatest lol post itt

you bitch about spending

shoe crushes the tarp nonsense

you completely ignore shoe's post and move on to screaming about something else

this is almost exactly the opposite of what happened. did you read the posts?