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Old 10-09-2011, 09:35 PM   #211
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Re: Occupy Wall Street: Solidarity Thread for 2+2ers

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Nah, regardless of whether or not you can buy or sell the land, as a capitalist I'll find a way to control as much of it as I can.
I'm listening.

As long as the people have their baseline farm, its all good imo. (so far, I wanna hear how your going to do it)

basically same to shermanash, any additional market situations that arn't expressly forbidden are all good.

the big one being, no charging interest - however maybe up to like 2 percent processing fees are acceptable

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Old 10-09-2011, 09:49 PM   #212
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I'm listening.

As long as the people have their baseline farm, its all good imo. (so far, I wanna hear how your going to do it)

basically same to shermanash, any additional market situations that arn't expressly forbidden are all good.
It's actually much simpler as a capitalist to do business in those economic realities as you propose.

I'll round up a few workers that by human nature want more than just their piece of dirt and what they can grow on it. We'll partner up and create a business.

We'll start a home building business first. Just wood and we'll give you landowners some good roofs over your heads, and warm homes. In return we'll receive payment in cows and livestock or produce from the land. With these cows I'll start a milk business.

On another empty lot I'll stack the cows and we'll sell milk to you landowners. I'll also start breeding cows and horses and chickens.

When we've reached enough critical mass of people living in one area, we'll start building canals to have running water into all the homes.

After a certain point, the people will realize they need a currency to trade with. We'll use whatever rare earth metal we can find to trade with it.

Whichever landowner that doesn't want to live in the area anymore, I'll lease the land from them, pay them a nominal yearly fee, and sublease the land to another worker that wants to stay in whichever area suits them. People come and go all the time.

It wouldn't even be fair. I wouldn't even need to charge interest. I'd be a millionaire in livestock currency within a few years. Of course, to avoid public dissatisfaction of my growing wealth, I'll give back a certain % of my livestock and wealth into a communal fund every year.

After I've achieved such status, I would give back most of the livestock I've accumulated back to the people and get myself elected as their communal tribal leader. Mission accomplished.

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Old 10-09-2011, 09:57 PM   #213
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Wait a minute. You are proposing going back to the medieval ages? Where you sit and die on 1 little piece of dirt for the rest of your life?

So we have no running water?

So I can just build a canal and start charging you "land users" for the use of it right?

What if I start building brick huts for you guys? Will you give me your cow?

That's simple. I'll just start a home building business. Moses didn't say anything about having a business did he?
Your not going to be able to build a canal because I don't think you can acquire more land than your allotted.

Home building seems fine.

My house right now runs on well water, I'm not really sure the mechanics of it, but I'd imagine that would work, no?
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:06 PM   #214
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We're derailing this thread. If you want to discuss this further with me send me a pm. I'd entertain the idea.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:08 PM   #215
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Wow, no ones actually ever talked to me about this (its usually insta dismiss), I think I need to study Deut. more. I'm actually glad you see possibilities opening up.

In your plan, I don't see how anyone was oppresed, so seems fine.

If you think your going to be elected tribal leader and then start changing laws, thats where your going to get stoned however.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:14 PM   #216
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We're derailing this thread. If you want to discuss this further with me send me a pm. I'd entertain the idea.
You might enjoy this link and then I guess were done here (look around you'll find some relevant info) http://www.jahtruth.net/politics.htm
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:28 PM   #217
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You might enjoy this link and then I guess were done here (look around you'll find some relevant info) http://www.jahtruth.net/politics.htm
zOMG, what a link! Only 30 seconds in and I've already found UFO Jesus stuff! Plus circa-1993 table layouts, bolding, italics, CAPITALISATION, and at times a complete trifecta of BOLDED AND ITALICISED CAPITALISATION!

I'm going to be reading this crap for hours.
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Old 10-09-2011, 10:36 PM   #218
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The unions are part of the problem. They bankrupted the auto industry. They have bankrupted many small towns. They are trying to bankrupt the cities with their outrageous pension demands.
lol bankrupted the auto industry. I suppose you just mean GM, who had a ****ty finance arm and made all kinds of poor business decisions. I assume that conservatives look at successful business that are unionized and stare blankly in amazement.
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Old 10-09-2011, 11:02 PM   #219
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like USPS?
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Unions are preventing me from having another NBA season this year.

TO HELL WITH THEM!!
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like USPS?
USPS is not in trouble because of unions. In fact, its pretty easy to argue that it's not in trouble at all.

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this seems to be an official usps blog:
http://blog.uspsoig.gov/?p=1952
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The Postal Service is facing a financial crisis and needs to pursue every option it can to improve its net income. Pushing the Envelope thought it might be a good idea to ask for your thoughts. How do you think the Postal Service can save money or raise additional revenue?
so i guess, go ahead and argue that it's not in trouble at all
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I haven't been following this USPS stuff but afaik it has something to do how they're forced to account for pension liabilities in an effort to prove that USPS sucks.

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:26 AM   #224
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moar lulz
Digital Currency: An Opportunity for the Postal Service?
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When you buy your groceries, how do you pay for them? What about when you go to the gas station or neighborhood restaurant? How do you buy items online?
Cash may still be king, but in everyday life, it is being eclipsed by newer digital payment methods such as credit cards, debit cards, and electronic transfers.
AND THE POSTAL SERVICE WILL BE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THESE METHODS WITH OUR PAPER

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Old 10-10-2011, 01:44 AM   #225
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I will agree that simply getting a bailout and being saved from the fed forces the banks to do more than just repay the bailout debt. Most of which is repaid. I feel the banks do owe a little more than the TARP money they got.



What do you suggest the feds do in that situation? Where should they be putting the money? They had a few days tops to figure out what to do. Bailing out the banks was absolutely necessary. They weren't illiquid, good banks with good businesses were threatened to be put into bankruptcy because of 1 law.
Everything you wrote here was entirely accurate depending on what level we are to think about this on. You are completely right that bailing out the banks was absolutely necessary to avert the immediate collapse/crisis that would have ensued had we not, assuming the objective was to simply do something to keep the non-viable economy we had propped up. But if we are talking about the overall best way to set the economy on a sustainable path then just taking the pain of that crisis would be much more excruciating short term, but better long term. Bailing the banks out just changed the form of the losses and transferred them as future losses to holders of the dollar, which is an easy fix short term, more excruciating long term. So yeah, it was absolutely necessary if we wanted to salvage the badly misallocted and distorted economy that we'd been living with.

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This is why I chuckle and laugh at the ignorance of posters here that are angry about the bailouts. They have zero clue whatsoever that their own main street jobs were the ones being saved.
Saving these jobs is a big part of the problem long term though. There are sectors of the economy that shouldn't and wouldn't exist if not for the asset bubbles and government intervention in the market. By trying to prop up these sectors and keep people working unproductive jobs just makes the problems worse.
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