Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring
Ya that is very annoying. Not only does it make it twice as long to listen to their message, it really makes them look like some brainwashed cult. I understand that it supposed to be a "natural" way to amplify an individuals message in a crowd but does it actually help?
Also, what's up with this jazz hands I see all the time?
Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring
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Originally Posted by ianlippert
Ya that is very annoying. Not only does it make it twice as long to listen to their message, it really makes them look like some brainwashed cult. I understand that it supposed to be a "natural" way to amplify an individuals message in a crowd but does it actually help?
Also, what's up with this jazz hands I see all the time?
I've seen them repeat every word a guy on a bullhorn was saying, so it must be more than amplifying the speakers voice.
Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring
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Originally Posted by Tien
Corporate greed has caused mass unemployment...
This is obvious and uncontroversial. Even Fox news will tell you the same. If you're sarcastically accepting this calling unemployed protesters jobless bums makes no sense, and if you're in denial about it there's no way for anyone to get through to you if even the most right-wing media available isn't.
Then you act like the term "corporate greed" needs some sort of philosophical explanation. Pick up a dictionary, read a newspaper.
Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
lolol equal time, let's just **** on the constitution.
Um I don't know if you're paying attention or not but this is about the 99% vs the 1%. The constitution is a document created BY the rich and powerful FOR the rich and powerful:
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I. Howard Zinn
From The Progressive, April 2006
A careful reading of history might give us another safeguard against being deceived. It would make clear that there has always been, and is today, a profound conflict of interest between the government and the people of the United States. This thought startles most people, because it goes against everything we have been taught.
We have been led to believe that, from the beginning, as our Founding Fathers put it in the Preamble to the Constitution, it was "we the people" who established the new government after the Revolution. When the eminent historian Charles Beard suggested, a hundred years ago, that the Constitution represented not the working people, not the slaves, but the slaveholders, the merchants, the bondholders, he became the object of an indignant editorial in The New York Times.
Our culture demands, in its very language, that we accept a commonality of interest binding all of us to one another. We mustn't talk about classes. Only Marxists do that, although James Madison, "Father of the Constitution," said, 30 years before Marx was born that there was an inevitable conflict in society between those who had property and those who did not.
Our present leaders are not so candid. They bombard us with phrases like "national interest," "national security," and "national defense" as if all of these concepts applied equally to all of us, colored or white, rich or poor, as if General Motors and Halliburton have the same interests as the rest of us, as if George Bush has the same interest as the young man or woman he sends to war.
Surely, in the history of lies told to the population, this is the biggest lie. In the history of secrets, withheld from the American people, this is the biggest secret: that there are classes with different interests in this country. To ignore that—not to know that the history of our country is a history of slaveowner against slave, landlord against tenant, corporation against worker, rich against poor—is to render us helpless before all the lesser lies told to us by people in power.
If we as citizens start out with an understanding that these people up there—the President, the Congress, the Supreme Court, all those institutions pretending to be "checks and balances”—do not have our interests at heart, we are on a course towards the truth. Not to know that is to make us helpless before determined liars....
Surely main st. pro-labor left, w/e, hates this kind of crap. The guy with the bullhorn gets kicked the **** out of union meetings around here, anyway.
If this group accomplishes anything other than the opposite of their intended goals I'll be shocked.
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
I don't know if Howard Zinn's self portrayal as a socialist matters but just saying.
When it comes to an historical claim, it doesn't matter at all.
The constitution was constructed to "protect the minority of the opulent from the majority"(James Madison), to make sure that "those who own the country [get] to govern it"(founding father John Jay) and to keep the "great beast"(Alexander Hamilton's phrase for the 99%) caged in.
The very fact that the constitution curiously omitted the phrase from the declaration of independence: "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," (A useful phrase to garner support for the war) and substituted it with the phrase: "life, liberty, or property" pretty much gives the game away--at least to those who aren't sufficiently indoctrinated.