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Old 11-18-2011, 10:54 AM   #3826
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Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring

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You can call it whatever you wish... Your definition of words, such as "rule" and "exploit" are... your definition of "anarchy" is much different than mine and others...
What is it with youz guyz fetish about "defining" words? And BTW, nobody is trying to define the word "anarchy" to begin with. What people are attempting to identify is a centuries old historical and contemporary social movement, commonly and unfortunately identified these centuries, in the English language, by the word "anarchism".

We don't care if the wingnuts wanna have their own "special" definition of the word "anarchy", or not. Just like we don't care if the wingnuts wanna have their own "special" little language, with redefinition of the words "voluntary", "capitalism", "force", etc, etc.

But what is consistently exasperating is this constant attempt to argue about the "one true and only" definition of this or that word. When non-wingnuts are discussing this social movement, we simply are using the standard historical English language label, for this movement. We are not at all interested in hearing, once again, that the wingnuts have their own non-relevant "special" definition too, and gee... let's all play dictionary thinking battle-star wars.
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...The only difference between your system and the current one is we end up with 6 billion busybodies interfering with each other instead of a few centralized ones...
Once again, anarchism is not some kind of "personal theory". There aren't different kinds of personal anarchism, like ILOVEPOKER949 "kind" of anarchism, or any such non-sense. This text quoted above has nothing to do with anarchism at all. Seriously, there is a ton of info on the interwebs... why make up total and complete non-sense, what's the point ??

I'll repeat once again, even though most of the Occupiers are not anarchists, the way we go about making our decisions is pure anarchism. Organizations like General Assemblies and Affinity Groups/ Spokes-Councils are anarchism, plain and simple. No need to make up non-sense, or try to play "make believe"... just go down to your local GA, or watch one streaming on the interwebs, and see how anarchism works in reality. We're just trying to get the rest of our lives organized this way, horizontal and leaderless, including our communities and work places.

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Old 11-18-2011, 12:15 PM   #3827
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Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring

Tom and Albert, I answered your posts in another thread "Please help me understand Anarcho-socialism"
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:19 PM   #3828
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Re: Occupy America and the Approaching American Spring

Where are there anarchist communities and work places?

Is this like a secret fight club type of hide out?
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Old 11-18-2011, 02:52 PM   #3829
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Where are there anarchist communities and work places?

Is this like a secret fight club type of hide out?
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:29 PM   #3830
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I heard that place was a libertarian's dream of no government regulations.

Thinking about starting a business there, gonna make so much money.
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Old 11-18-2011, 06:08 PM   #3831
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Easy access to Ji-Booty, too
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Old 11-18-2011, 07:14 PM   #3832
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The thing about Somalia is that it's all black there now... they got in.
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Old 11-19-2011, 05:14 AM   #3833
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that's waisis
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:40 AM   #3834
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Cops spraying some kids in the face with pepper spray
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:55 AM   #3835
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my brother has been occupying in Philly - he leaves his ID at home so if he gets arrested the cops can't ID him.

someone tell me if his strategy makes sense/what the results would be?
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Old 11-19-2011, 11:58 AM   #3836
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cops are great they should never be treated violently JUST DOING THEIR JOBS LDO
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:05 PM   #3837
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Depends on if his prints are in the system or not and if he refuses to id himself or tries to give a false identification. I don't know pa law, but in most places best case is likely they hold him for several days and release, worst case he gets charged as a john doe with obstruction of justice in addition to whatever the arrest was for and held until trial.

Just my best guess based on what I've seen happen in the dept I'm familiar with.
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #3838
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cops are great they should never be treated violently JUST DOING THEIR JOBS LDO
they are part of the 99% too!!
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Old 11-19-2011, 12:41 PM   #3839
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my brother has been occupying in Philly - he leaves his ID at home so if he gets arrested the cops can't ID him.

someone tell me if his strategy makes sense/what the results would be?
It is a standard tactic of Jail Solidarity (google is your friend, and I posted a page about it recently in some thread here). I've done it before. Ask him if they are thinking about "jamming the jails"? Does he write the law clinic's phone number on his body also (he should)?

Briefly, if enough people organize and plan ahead, the entire court system can be brought to a halt, simply by practicing non-violent Jail Solidarity after mass arrests. One of the many tactics is to non-violently resist the arraignment process.

They need to arraign you in 72 hours, and usually need to do it in open court, for those that cannot afford a lawyer, they need to provide one, they need to give access to our lawyers, and usually they need identify you to do all that.

If none of the Jail Solidarity protesters have ID, and they all refuse to speak, they refuse to cite-out or O.R. (unless everyone is released without charges), and they non-violently resist and disrupt the court process (by going limp, food rights, nudity, refusing to eat food, hunger strikes, constant singing and chanting, etc, etc) well... it can be physically impossible to arraign most of us.

Jail Solidarity gets the goods! It worked in the western US Free Speech Fights in the 1910s and it worked in Seattle 1999... all (but a handful who opted out) of the 600+ arrested walked without charges.

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Edit to add: At LA-2000 the law collective printed up bright orange stickers for us to wear, they looked like monopoly "Go to Jail" Chance cards, complete with an old-fashion line drawing of a cop and the words "GO TO JAIL". I still got one stuck on the back of my clipboard. The text reads...

ATTENTION LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS
  • I am going to remain silent
  • I want a lawyer
  • I am not going to answer any questions, even questions about my name and address
  • I want to call my lawyer now
Midnight Special Law Collective (323)-XXX-XXXX

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Old 11-19-2011, 05:14 PM   #3840
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Did that video CC posted remind anyone of how they line people up in the movies and shoot them? These aren't derelict's btw there ****en students. Is there is even an appropriate non-violent response to that?
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