Originally Posted by mike_clark
Sure... I agree. I know there are some nutz in the tea party movement.
Gabrille Giffords being shot in the head? Are you suggesting Loughner was a right winger?! I don't think so man. First off, you think that weirdo was an avid listener of talk radio or glenn beck. I can see it now, Loughner sitting down to enjoy Glenn Beck at 5pm e.t every day. C'mon. Besides it was even found out that he was reading mein kemph and things like that. So you are mistaken with this one.
Great, there are a few people who hold up Obama is hitler signs. I would much rather be holding up one of those signs even if I don't believe it, than be seen in a group of OWS protesters chanting "**** america"
ANd the crosshairs signs i mean geez... no one can distinguish that that means we are targeting you to get thrown out of office. You even said you are OK with OWS violence, so not sure why you have any qualms with crosshairs even if they were literally meaning blow your head off.
OWS message is so disorganized and have so many different groups in it. Nazis, communists, socialists, america haters, etc. The Tea party message was pretty much one thing. Stop the spending. Reduce the debt.
I mean I have no idea how OWS can be taken seriously. They don't have a targeted message, and aside from being smelly, dirty, violent, and full of STD's.......they are pretty much all KIDS who don't work and have no where to go.
I'm simply saying that people perceive things differently. When you mention the whole "**** America" chanting and things like that, you have to understand where these positions come from. I can totally understand people's feelings because I've felt the same in some sense.
It's the same thing when reverand Wright had his whole "goddamn America" line. White people looked (mostly) looked at it in complete disgust while a lot of black people completely understood where he was coming from. It's perspective. What you judge as acceptable or in our best interests may be viewed exactly opposite by someone else, especially in terms of foreign policy and clandestine operations carried out in our name. This is why terms of "blowback" became more mainstream. It was a way to describe things we can't put into context in terms of what we know our government does. If you're interested, watch a little bit of "Why we fight" on youtube. There is a bit of bias in it in the points of view of the regular people, but in terms of the history of the middle east it's pretty accurate (opinions aside).
This is when people really have to sit down and think about things like the concept of American exceptionalism (in terms of foreign affairs). In this case, we're talking more about the financial position people are in and the effects it has on their lives. The simple way to look at it is to take it at face value and agree or disagree. The better approach is to try to understand the deeper roots of these positions.
If you never faced much real adversity in making your way into the American experience, then I would say it's VERY difficult to empathize with these feelings. I've been relatively lucky in the sense of finding jobs and increasing my income, despite serious problems I faced getting there (in my mind). If you had a hard time getting anywhere, as I feel most of these people have, then it's easier to understand.