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Old 10-21-2011, 05:56 PM   #2296
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Instead of getting sidetracked on my language, you should maybe go find some pictures or videos where you can't see that half of them are derelicts. If you could, then you wouldn't need to focus on my language.
Or you could stop posting quick clips or blogs with 3 photos and extrapolating that to the rest of the group? I know you want them all to fit into the image you have in your head of 19 year old STD carrying commies but you'd have to be willfully ignorant or incredibly stupid to actually believe that.
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And I answer that question already.

Don't worry, I'm sure much more than 90% of the Tea Party knows what the KKK is
So you don't think it is stupid that 90% don't know what the top marginal tax rate is?

That means the top marginal tax rate could be at 85% and they would still be out their protesting for the rich to pay more cuz obamaz said so
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:59 PM   #2298
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So you don't think it is stupid that 90% don't know what the top marginal tax rate is?

That means the top marginal tax rate could be at 85% and they would still be out their protesting for the rich to pay more cuz obamaz said so
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The highest marginal federal tax rate as a number is a ridiculously specific question unless thy gave them some option to give a ballpark figure.

what say you to this post mike clark
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:00 PM   #2299
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Or you could stop posting quick clips or blogs with 3 photos and extrapolating that to the rest of the group?
Kind of like what was done on here and everywhere else to paint the tea party as racist? I mean how many people in America do you think attended a tea party rally somewhere in the country. I have no idea. Maybe 2 million total? 1 million total? 8 million total?

How many racist Obama signs could you find total? Maybe 25? I remember a "whach you talkin about willis" sign. Does that even count?
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:07 PM   #2300
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The highest marginal federal tax rate as a number is a ridiculously specific question unless thy gave them some option to give a ballpark figure. I don't get the impression their unifying theme is a higher personal income tax but more against ballouts etc. Real 1 presenters don't even pay it according to Buffett anyway. I think the other questions are fair though
Sorry taso. Didn't see this.

You don't think their unifying theme at least in part is seize more of the rich people's money? I was watching Geraldo's interview with them and that is basically all they were saying (screaming) in the background.

So I mean it is one thing to want to gouge the rich of more of their money. But when 90% don't know what the top marginal tax rate is, then it pretty much shows that most of them are dumbasses that probably don't know much else of anything. I mean heck 68% didn't even know what the S.E.C was, that is pretty shocking to be out their protesting banks and wanting more regs and what not, yet 7 in 1o can't tell you what the S.E.C is??? and these people are actually being taken seriously?

If I was an elite, I would use these idiots also.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:18 PM   #2301
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I know you like to keep bringing up that 'poll' but do you really think asking 50 people is an accurate indication of who these people are or what they know?

You sure are acting like it represents the whole group but yet you were just complaining about "25 racists things at a Tea Party rally being pushed on the whole group". You complain about small sample sizes being used as an image for an entire group but yet you have been ITT doing that exact thing.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:45 PM   #2302
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And the USSR is number 1! Come on Suz you know that China's growth over the last 30 years is in direct response to free market reforms.
I wouldn't exactly say "free market". I mean, their government does things to clearly give them an advantage, like screwing with their currency to make their exports more attractive.

Not saying we don't have our own protectionist policies in place.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:46 PM   #2303
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We all can't show the wisdom and intelligence that are readily apparent in your one line posts and stupid jokes, Joey.

Show me the way, brother.
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Old 10-21-2011, 06:57 PM   #2304
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Sure... I agree. I know there are some nutz in the tea party movement.

Gabrille Giffords being shot in the head? Are you suggesting Loughner was a right winger?! I don't think so man. First off, you think that weirdo was an avid listener of talk radio or glenn beck. I can see it now, Loughner sitting down to enjoy Glenn Beck at 5pm e.t every day. C'mon. Besides it was even found out that he was reading mein kemph and things like that. So you are mistaken with this one.

Great, there are a few people who hold up Obama is hitler signs. I would much rather be holding up one of those signs even if I don't believe it, than be seen in a group of OWS protesters chanting "**** america"

ANd the crosshairs signs i mean geez... no one can distinguish that that means we are targeting you to get thrown out of office. You even said you are OK with OWS violence, so not sure why you have any qualms with crosshairs even if they were literally meaning blow your head off.

OWS message is so disorganized and have so many different groups in it. Nazis, communists, socialists, america haters, etc. The Tea party message was pretty much one thing. Stop the spending. Reduce the debt.

I mean I have no idea how OWS can be taken seriously. They don't have a targeted message, and aside from being smelly, dirty, violent, and full of STD's.......they are pretty much all KIDS who don't work and have no where to go.
I'm simply saying that people perceive things differently. When you mention the whole "**** America" chanting and things like that, you have to understand where these positions come from. I can totally understand people's feelings because I've felt the same in some sense.

It's the same thing when reverand Wright had his whole "goddamn America" line. White people looked (mostly) looked at it in complete disgust while a lot of black people completely understood where he was coming from. It's perspective. What you judge as acceptable or in our best interests may be viewed exactly opposite by someone else, especially in terms of foreign policy and clandestine operations carried out in our name. This is why terms of "blowback" became more mainstream. It was a way to describe things we can't put into context in terms of what we know our government does. If you're interested, watch a little bit of "Why we fight" on youtube. There is a bit of bias in it in the points of view of the regular people, but in terms of the history of the middle east it's pretty accurate (opinions aside).

This is when people really have to sit down and think about things like the concept of American exceptionalism (in terms of foreign affairs). In this case, we're talking more about the financial position people are in and the effects it has on their lives. The simple way to look at it is to take it at face value and agree or disagree. The better approach is to try to understand the deeper roots of these positions.

If you never faced much real adversity in making your way into the American experience, then I would say it's VERY difficult to empathize with these feelings. I've been relatively lucky in the sense of finding jobs and increasing my income, despite serious problems I faced getting there (in my mind). If you had a hard time getting anywhere, as I feel most of these people have, then it's easier to understand.

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Old 10-21-2011, 07:48 PM   #2305
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I think that would be absolutely required information if your going to go out in the streets and bitch that the rich need to pay more?

Amazing you don't see the alterior motives the elite have for these useful idiots.
I thought it was absolutely required knowledge that "alterior" is not a word, and that at the very least anyone smart enough to use the internet would see the squiggly red line underneath the word that isn't.
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For all intensive purposes, yes.
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Lol, wp. I wish I could have seen your stand up Suzz. When they came for the niece fondlers was superior message board comedy.
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I know you like to keep bringing up that 'poll' but do you really think asking 50 people is an accurate indication of who these people are or what they know?

You sure are acting like it represents the whole group but yet you were just complaining about "25 racists things at a Tea Party rally being pushed on the whole group". You complain about small sample sizes being used as an image for an entire group but yet you have been ITT doing that exact thing.
The idea that you could poll a crowd of people who come and go pretty regularly with any type of accuracy is insane.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:22 PM   #2309
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http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...photo-ows.html

I bet this guy and all the rest of the derelicts cheering him on are the ones with the graduate degrees?

Just LOOK at these animals.
That site is amazing. They can make pooping a partisan issue. It's just so obvious, Obama supports public deification.
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Old 10-21-2011, 08:35 PM   #2310
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I know you like to keep bringing up that 'poll' but do you really think asking 50 people is an accurate indication of who these people are or what they know?

You sure are acting like it represents the whole group but yet you were just complaining about "25 racists things at a Tea Party rally being pushed on the whole group". You complain about small sample sizes being used as an image for an entire group but yet you have been ITT doing that exact thing.
Dude, what's with the quotes? Do you always mischaractrize things? Mike clearly didn't say anything about "25 racists things at a Tea Party rally being pushed on the whole group". He didn't say "racist thugs." He didn't say "at a Tea Party rally." He was talking about the many millions at ALL the Tea Party rallies who "maybe" had "racist anti-Obama signs." So, Mike was talking about 25 people out of millions being used an image for an entire group. The sample size at the one OWS rally was surely more representative of that OWS group of maybe a couple thousand people, than 25 out of many millions.

It should also be noted that the fact that the someone is anti-Obama does not mean they are racist.

More concerning is that 90% of the OWS in the admittedly small survey of 50 didn't know anything about the Dodds-Franks bill. That of course, is the financial regulatory bill by Chris Dodds and Barney Franks, the same fine folks who brought us the housing crisis.
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