Originally Posted by mpethybridge

I'm not crafting arguments against saving them; I'm crafting arguments that save them without sacrificing a cornerstone constitutional principle simply because Congress is too craven and/or power hungry to go about it in a constitutionally permissible way. That said, if Americans dying would save the constitutional principle, I'd happily volunteer to be one of the sacrificial lambs. I've done so before and would happily do so again.

Originally Posted by dinopoker

I knew a 30-year-old girl who was an exact example of that. She was diagnosed with a brain tumor while she was on a probation period of a new job and no insurance company in the world would cover her. Her name was Marie and if you remind me I'll send you a picture of her grave sometime.

I don't know if Obamacare will be overturned or not, but I do know that if it is, a great many Americans are going to die as a result. I hope you at least consider that once in a while as you craft your arguments against saving them.

Originally Posted by Riverman

And when they get old, the opposite will be true! Crazy!

Originally Posted by suzzer99

20-somethings can't conceive of that yet, so it doesn't enter their thought process. I remember in my 20s - I just figured life ended at 30 - so why the hell would I try to make that old ****'s life any easier with good decisions now?

Also Obamacare is more of a wealth transfer from the wealthy to the working poor and lower middle class than anything else. Oh the horror.

Originally Posted by domer2

Don't confuse the issue by intermixing Medicare and ACA.

ACA mandates every American who is uninsured (with very limited exception) to purchase health insurance from a private company. Not from the government via taxes. From a private company via the forced purchase of services. This is unprecedented.

Originally Posted by mpethybridge

2. One of the main reasons that health care is so expensive in this country is that the regulatory atmosphere drives up the cost of health care. As an easy example, doctors command a high premium over average wages because it is so difficult and expensive to become a doctor. It is difficult and expensive to become a doctor in part because of mismanagement of government insurance for student loans and because existing regulations create high barriers to entry (~10 years of education or so).

Right now, the bankruptcy laws that allow for the dischargeability of medical expenses operate as a tax on the income of doctors, who pass all or a part of that tax along to their paying customers.

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Or pay a small unenforceable fine. You are "forced" to buy Obamacare the same way I am "forced" to buy goods from out of state because there's no tax on that.

Originally Posted by __w__

How do you figure the wealth goes from the top to the bottom here?

Originally Posted by suzzer99

20-somethings can't conceive of that yet, so it doesn't enter their thought process. I remember in my 20s - I just figured life ended at 30 - so why the hell would I try to make that old ****'s life any easier with good decisions now?

Also Obamacare is more of a wealth transfer from the wealthy to the working poor and lower middle class than anything else. Oh the horror.

Originally Posted by suzzer99

See above.

Also what about the current transfer of wealth to the people who get defacto free health insurance?

Originally Posted by lew189

I'm very sorry about your friend. That having been said, it seems she would literally have to give up seeking treatment for your story to be true.


http://www.moneytalksnews.com/2011/0...the-uninsured/