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Old 03-15-2008, 06:59 PM   #1
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The next couple of months are going to be so much fun to watch. Nobody can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like the Democrat Party. This is their election to lose and lose it they will. Hillary has finally convinced the press that Obama is fair game. Check out March 17, "St. Patrick Day's" edition of the National Enquirer while you stand in line at your local Kroger. They are reporting information that Debbie Schlussel has been writing about Hussein Obama from day one and MORE:

Close Friendship with Terrorist
Made Fortune with Accused Felon

Link to Larry Sinclair, Bill Ayers, Louis Farrakhan and more!

Seems that Mr. & Mrs Obama have at least one similarity to the Clinton's, "Screaming Matches with Wife Over Other Women."

Main stream media is picking most of this up and both Hillary and Obama will be toast come November.

This is gonna get real good, real soon.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:53 PM   #2
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If only the criticisms weren't all so weak. I won't post all of the counterarguments, I've already defended Obama on most of those things. And I've already made a post that mirrors what this one will be in the Wright thread. But here's the general problem:

Criticize the man when he's done something wrong. Look at the facts and analyze them. If you're going to attack him, whether it's his policy or character, that's fine. But for the love of whatever you worship make the arguments at least halfway valid?

These stories have all been twisted into Obama flaws when over half of them are related to the actions and words of other people. Part of being a public servant is having to work for/with people you do not agree with. People with that ability are rare and valuable. It doesn't mean we shouldn't look and see if something dirty really happened, but most people aren't doing that now. They just judge him because he's in some way connected to these people. Wright is the perfect example.

I am not responsible for the views of my friends. I disagree with many of my friends on many issues. Just because someone is not related by blood does not mean you shouldn't stand by them like family while trying to change their minds on an issue. Look to see if Obama is as extreme as his pastor, but don't attack just because he went to the church based on (very possibly) 5 or 6 extreme sermons over the course of 20 years. That's ridiculous.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:23 PM   #3
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so far i gather that BHO is a gay, Muslim, crooked Daley machine politician, American hating black supremest who might be a terrorist. did i leave anything out?
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did i leave anything out?
You forgot the rumor about Obama being a silent partner in Michael Vick's dogfighting ring.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:43 PM   #5
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If only the criticisms weren't all so weak. I won't post all of the counterarguments, I've already defended Obama on most of those things. And I've already made a post that mirrors what this one will be in the Wright thread. But here's the general problem:

Criticize the man when he's done something wrong. Look at the facts and analyze them. If you're going to attack him, whether it's his policy or character, that's fine. But for the love of whatever you worship make the arguments at least halfway valid?

These stories have all been twisted into Obama flaws when over half of them are related to the actions and words of other people. Part of being a public servant is having to work for/with people you do not agree with. People with that ability are rare and valuable. It doesn't mean we shouldn't look and see if something dirty really happened, but most people aren't doing that now. They just judge him because he's in some way connected to these people. Wright is the perfect example.

I am not responsible for the views of my friends. I disagree with many of my friends on many issues. Just because someone is not related by blood does not mean you shouldn't stand by them like family while trying to change their minds on an issue. Look to see if Obama is as extreme as his pastor, but don't attack just because he went to the church based on (very possibly) 5 or 6 extreme sermons over the course of 20 years. That's ridiculous.
There are 100 United States senators. Obama has the MOST liberal voting record. Obama has zero administrative experience. Obama wants change but does not have a plan for change. Obama simply wants to be THE President of the United States and he is a great snake oil salesman. Good luck to him, because Hillary and the machine are going to be very difficult to beat.
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There are 100 United States senators. Obama has the MOST liberal voting record. Obama has zero administrative experience. Obama wants change but does not have a plan for change. Obama simply wants to be THE President of the United States and he is a great snake oil salesman. Good luck to him, because Hillary and the machine are going to be very difficult to beat.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:54 PM   #7
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Debbie Schlussel is an unapologetic Zionist, and more interested in bashing Muslims/Arabs then what is good for the United States. Are we allowed to use Obamas middle name yet?
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:59 PM   #8
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Ahh...another dumb**** decides to start posting in politics
its amazing how emotionally unstable many obama supporters in this forum are

start thinking with your head and not your heart people
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Old 03-16-2008, 12:17 AM   #9
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Why do you say that? These attacks are common, but I'd say pretty much everyone who uses them doesn't know enough of the facts to even fake being informed.

What has Obama not done that you feel he should have? What has he not addressed that the other candidates have? What has he not done that the other candidates haven't done either, but should? I look at his website and see plans. I hear him talk about what he will do quite often. So if you meant he has absolutely no plans you are obviously wrong. I have to assume you think he hasn't responded to something important. Where are the holes?

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If I set the rules up the right way I can claim you are a Liberal or a Conservative easily: Conservative = religious right, so I only count votes on inserting or keeping religion out of government (a flawed, but commonly accepted view, is that the religious right is conservative) Any person who votes against creationism taught as science would then be a liberal on that vote. It's "technically" the truth, but in modern terms it's a blatant lie and misrepresents the views of those voting. I bet I could find many conservatives amongst the nays.

Take all statistical analysis with a grain of salt. You can't verify the truth unless you look at the data yourself. Statisticians hide it far better than in the example above, but many make a living by finding ways to get the answer their employer wants instead of finding the true answer.

But let's assume you're right. Which votes has he made that you specifically disagree with, and why? Why is having a liberal voting record innately bad? Don't the specifics factor in? Unless you think every single liberal interpretation of the law is innately terrible you should probably look at the details.

I have no problem with criticizing him based on his policies. But nobody using the argument you made actually talks policy, they're just running on propaganda. Guilty of what they accuse Obama's people of. There are plenty of problems with his votes and laws he has pushed for IMO. I'll join you in criticizing him. So do it instead of trying to state your opinions as fact.

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A non-issue. While experience is not bad to have it does not disqualify him from having the judgement, legal knowledge, and skills to run the country. I would rather vote for the skilled, intelligent, and perceptive man who has been doing the job for a couple of years than the one who has done his job poorly for 20 years. We all know experience != good at the job, and that inexperience != bad at the job. Many feel Obama is skilled, intelligent, and perceptive while his opposition is not.

Most of the time, when I look at his policies, I think I won't like what is coming. But I feel that way about all the candidates. The difference with Obama is that on occasion he makes insightful comments or speaks honestly and openly about something. I never stop thinking the other two will be terrible. I have moments with Obama.

But again, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is an issue. What has this experience given your favorite candidate that Obama could not have without the experience? And why do those qualities outweigh the advantages Obama has over them?

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Old 03-16-2008, 01:42 AM   #10
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A non-issue. While experience is not bad to have it does not disqualify him from having the judgment, legal knowledge, and skills to run the country. I would rather vote for the skilled, intelligent, and perceptive man who has been doing the job for a couple of years than the one who has done his job poorly for 20 years. We all know experience != good at the job, and that inexperience != bad at the job. Many feel Obama is skilled, intelligent, and perceptive while his opposition is not.

Most of the time, when I look at his policies, I think I won't like what is coming. But I feel that way about all the candidates. The difference with Obama is that on occasion he makes insightful comments or speaks honestly and openly about something. I never stop thinking the other two will be terrible. I have moments with Obama.

But again, let's give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it is an issue. What has this experience given your favorite candidate that Obama could not have without the experience? And why do those qualities outweigh the advantages Obama has over them?
The President has two primary responsibilities. One, Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. Two, being the CEO of the largest business in the world (executive branch of the federal government). Obama makes a cool preacher and I think he would be better than Drew Carey on the Price is Right. He has no experience nor has he given us any reason to believe he has even the marginal skills necessary to perform the job that he seeks. Personally, I would like to see Barack Hussein Obama win the nomination as he would have zero chance of winning the General Election in November. But Hillary ain't gonna let that happen. There is nothing "democratic" about the Democrat Party. And that is a very good thing as the Republicans are definitely the lesser of the two evils.
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Old 03-16-2008, 01:46 AM   #11
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Thank you Todd. I am proud to be able to cancel out YOUR vote for the rest of my life. I look forward to ruffling your feathers on regular basis. You have a very good day, sir.
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The next couple of months are going to be so much fun to watch. Nobody can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like the Democrat Party.
AND this is where I stopped reading.
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Old 03-16-2008, 02:08 AM   #13
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You have to explain the product, hook the consumer with your sales pitch, and then you have to convince him that you're giving the best deal amongst your competitors. Business 101.

Explanation: What does experience give a candidate that makes them stronger?

Hook: How can I know your candidate has the qualities you claim since experience doesn't automatically grant them? And why am I wrong about the weaknesses in your candidate? Is he actually not weak in those areas? Is he weak in those areas, but it's just a minor weakness? Give me a Republican sales pitch. Something building your candidate up, not bringing the opponent down. Make me believe he has strong strengths and barely noticeable down sides.

The Convincer: How much is experience worth? How much are Obama's strengths worth? Not only must you tell me these things, you also have to make very strong cases for your values. Currently mine aren't the same. I think McCain is the worst choice because of the economy mostly. Iraq bothers me also, but I could live with it if it wasn't bankrupting us (I do have a sense of responsibility, even if I didn't agree from the start). So McCain has weaknesses that are bad, but they happen make each other worse. That put him in last place IMO. Why am I wrong?

As things stand I think experience isn't worth much. I'm open minded though, and I'm not happy with any candidate. If you make good arguments you could change my mind. McCain is the candidate I know the least about. It's hard to avoid that with the media circus that is the Dem nomination.
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Now that we're clear on that one issue, why didn't you respond to any of my other points?

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And that is a very good thing as the Republicans are definitely the lesser of the two evils.
Ugh, no.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:18 AM   #15
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Good to see the tard signal in use.

This claim has been utterly destroyed in another thread.
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