Obama changes immigration policy - Page 3 - Politics and Economics

**goofyballer** · 06-15-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

There is a vast difference between being able to empathize with illegal immigrants crappy situations and placing executive orders that negatively effect AMERICANS to fix it.

Evidence of being a hater: assuming as a default that illegal immigrants negatively affect AMERICANS despite having just been shown evidence that deportation can negatively affect AMERICANS

neg3sd · 06-15-2012, 08:21 PM

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,1120996.story

This is very similar to reforms proposed by Marco Rubio. If Obama had worked with Rubio they probably could have formulated a bill acceptable to both parties with neither winning political capital.

rizeagainst · 06-15-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Immigrants (illegal or not) and a net gain to a country. Allowing them to stay fundamentally helps america.

Have you been to Mexico? Do you want the U.S. to be more or less like Mexico? And I'm not talking about tourist destinations.

will1530 · 06-15-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine

Immigrants (illegal or not) and a net gain to a country. Allowing them to stay fundamentally helps america.

This, I don't know why people have such a hard time understanding this concept.

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Have you been to Mexico? Do you want the U.S. to be more or less like Mexico? And I'm not talking about tourist destinations.

hahahhahaha

neg3sd · 06-15-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

There is a vast difference between being able to empathize with illegal immigrants crappy situations and placing executive orders that negatively effect AMERICANS to fix it. One can do one without supporting the other. That is a straw man argument, sir.

Immigrants risking their lives for America in war zones deserve to be fast tracked to U.S. citizenship.

**goofyballer** · 06-15-2012, 08:25 PM

OMG, if the illegals flood this country enough they might even vote without IDs for a MEXICAN PRESIDENT and turn us into a client state of MEXICO!

**tomdemaine** · 06-15-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Have you been to Mexico? Do you want the U.S. to be more or less like Mexico? And I'm not talking about tourist destinations.

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grizy · 06-15-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by neg3sd

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,1120996.story

This is very similar to reforms proposed by Marco Rubio. If Obama had worked with Rubio they probably could have formulated a bill acceptable to both parties with neither winning political capital.

Rubio isn't at the point where he could associate himself with Obama without committing political suicide.

Tea Party would never willingly let anything with Obama's name on it stand.

Money2Burn · 06-15-2012, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

I think the political decisions made by the U.S. should fundamentally help the U.S. Not Mexicans. Perhaps Mexico can work on that. I think the U.S. has enough problems and not enough money to fix them as it is. My perspective does not seek to go out of its way to help Mexicans at the expense of Americans because - wait for it - I don't live in Mexico.

Keeping immigrants, albeit illegal ones, here who have been educated in our system and know no other home is not damaging to the US.

longmissedblind · 06-15-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Keeping immigrants, albeit illegal ones, here who have been educated in our system and know no other home is not damaging to the US.

this

These people are Americans imo

cres · 06-15-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynasty

The timing has a lot to do with the release of Marco Rubio's book, The American Son, which is coming out next week.

Rubio has been having success building bipartisan support for Dream-lite legislation.

Since he'll be all over the news shows promoting it, it will bring a lot of focus to those efforts.

The Obama campaign doesn't want bipartisan support for an immigration bill. They want Obama to get all the credit.

if not a level then the worst form of partisan blinders in a while. Rubio is a junior senator, who has more skeletons in his closet than Obama did. His seat may not even be safe too.

As for the book deal, look for it to be a Palin style release, by the numbers a best seller, but the copies will be warehoused and given as teaser gifts for subscriptions to mags and newsletters. The GOP ptb aren't into young-uns wanting a seat at the table. If the Kochs are able to realign the party and gain control of it (it is conceivable), he isn't their choice of leader either.

Neuge · 06-15-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Have you been to Mexico? Do you want the U.S. to be more or less like Mexico? And I'm not talking about tourist destinations.

Hahahaah. Guess what... Those illegal immigrants want the US to be less like Mexico too. That's why they come here in the first place.

Spoiler:

This of course assumes your point is somehow logically valid, which it's lol not

rizeagainst · 06-15-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuge

Hahahaah. Guess what... Those illegal immigrants want the US to be less like Mexico too. That's why they come here in the first place.

That must be why Mexicans are traditionally so quick to abandon Spanish and learn English.

rizeagainst · 06-15-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Keeping immigrants, albeit illegal ones, here who have been educated in our system and know no other home is not damaging to the US.

Rewarding criminal behavior likely has no future repercussions. You're right.

**MrWookie** · 06-15-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

That must be why Mexicans are traditionally so quick to abandon Spanish and learn English.

Mexican immigrants, even illegal ones, tend to integrate about as fast as immigrants have historically. E.g., Chinese immigrants didn't speak fluent english in the first generation, either. The third generation was totally integrated.

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Originally Posted by rizeagainst

Rewarding criminal behavior likely has no future repercussions. You're right.

Yeah, we might get...more immigrants working hard, paying taxes, and contributing to the economy? Sounds good to me.