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Old 08-01-2012, 12:34 AM   #616
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at what point were mormons held as slaves or institutionally oppressed?
For most of the history of the United States.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:43 AM   #618
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:56 AM   #619
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The Mormons were severely persecuted during their early days, which is why they decided to head West.
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:58 AM   #620
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1) The phrase "reverse racist" has some pretty hilariously racist premises if you think about it. **** that is racist against white people is just "racist".

2) You totally did not read it. In fact, I don't think you know what "it" I'm referring to. If you had, you would not say **** like "It's undefined... most likely intentionally."
I assumed you meant the executive order itself.

If you gonna keep insisting I didn't read it, please do tell me just what exactly is the policy in the order besides "let's add another office in DoEducation and have it do... uh... something."

I am well aware the term "reverse racism" by itself is a nonsensical phrase but you, and just about everyone who's read about race relations in America, know the phrase and its usual context.

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Old 08-01-2012, 12:59 AM   #621
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Just as a thought experiment, what is a multiethnic society to do if it turns out that, contrary to the faith of its founders (who probably never believed it anyway), all men are in fact not created equal, and there are clear, measurable genetic differences between particular groups in various areas of importance. Is this not an insoluble crisis in a society that takes egalitarian/anti-racist ideology seriously? In the words of a great communist, what is to be done?
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Old 08-01-2012, 12:59 AM   #622
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I think it's racist to compare/equate persecution of a cult to widespread owning of one particular race of people. But that's just me.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:48 AM   #623
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Then 'racism' is a benign worthless term.
It being always wrong makes if benign? That makes no sense.
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Old 08-01-2012, 03:55 AM   #624
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Oh, btw, if Obama tried to do anything to help the poor, the disadvantaged, there would be cries from almost everyone who thinks says this is racist about how such a program was class warfare or socialism or stealing from the rich or whatever.
If you don't agree with someone else's belief, just call them a liar. That's not at all scummy.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:04 AM   #625
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But Obama creates an office with one employee, no new funding, and a mandate to study some issues and make some recommendations and and we're at 600 posts.
Yeah 300 of them are you and your ilk calling everyone who disagrees racist and the rest is people trying to explain to you that they are not
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:59 AM   #626
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If you think it is racist to have a government office that studies and recommends solutions to the specific problems of African American school children, then you are almost certainly a racist.

African American children face specific challenges. It is not racist to recognize this fact and attempt to do something about it. It is utterly amazing that this needs to be explained when we live in a four digit year beginning with a 2.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:06 AM   #627
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I wonder if any of you have actually seen a school that is all black in a poor neighborhood or dealt with any African American kids in poverty. Real racism has ravaged the inner cities of this country and I'm sorry if I have no patience for your privileged allegations of bulll**** "racism." Try the real world.
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It being always wrong makes if benign? That makes no sense.
Your definition, that no one uses, is not always wrong. It's a wide definition without any practical use.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:31 AM   #629
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Totally agree 13ball. There are specific problems involved with educating different people and races. Ignoring this is inefficient at best and, more likely, directly harmful to millions of people and hampering their ability to get an equal opportunity for education. Of course dividing by races oversimplifies at times and is not a perfect solution. We just do the best with the cards we are dealt (). Having an office that is specially equipped to educate people with a shared cultural background is just doing a better job at tending to people's particular needs then if we ignore some of these common denominators. It is simply more efficient to have people who understand black people's situation working in one office and people who understand and can better educate Hispanics working in another (If you still think this is racist, just recognize that even if there was only one office, it will be divided in the same fashion. Whether or not there are "seperate offices," there is still a division based on race and a multitude of other factors).
Is it political pandering? Of course. Is it racist (in a loose sense of the term)? Sure, if that makes you happy, although it does not help to progress the conversation. Does that mean it is bad or unfair? Of course not.
Also, like Howard Beale pointed out, most of you aren't even responding to how this will/could actually work, which is potentially not even going to be according to a division by race, but larger geographic boundaries like zip code (or income).
It is sad that the people calling this racist are in a way dominating the discourse. We could actually have an interesting conversation if we wanted and didn't get sucked into this dribble.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:35 AM   #630
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I think it's racist to compare/equate persecution of a cult to widespread owning of one particular race of people. But that's just me.
I think its racist that you want to grant special privileges to group of historically oppressed people but not another group of historically oppressed people.
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