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North Korea wins Cyber Battle with the Sony Pictures/U.S North Korea wins Cyber Battle with the Sony Pictures/U.S

12-18-2014 , 04:09 PM
In b4 Obama's unilateral, unconstitutional, overreaching, most liberal response evaaaarrrr!
12-18-2014 , 04:12 PM
Oh the hilarity of a corporation getting got by a third world country due to their own idiocy and all the super right wingers demanding some government response.
12-18-2014 , 04:42 PM
By the way what is the reason for cancelling the movie more than a few days? I mean i can imagine that they need to diffuse the situation a while but they can still release it in 15 days or whatever time is needed for things to calm down and maybe in that time even find the hackers origin and counter attack them even if possible why not. The thing is that caving itself is a PR nightmare actually. They look like losers, cowards, boneless people. What is this? With all the news about the movie they couldn't buy a better ad campaign actually! So yes they will lose traffic to those afraid but they will get notoriety because of all that happened so they will recover their cost to make the movie anyway unless the movie itself is of totally horrible quality.

By the way to idiot people afraid to go to the movies because lol cyberpunks will "assassinate" 1 atom of their body with neutrinos from another galaxy, the chance to get killed in the movie, even if they had sleeper cells available here in US, is not larger than the chance to get killed by a traffic accident eg per month of active driving.
12-18-2014 , 04:51 PM
Holy run-on sentences, Batman!
12-18-2014 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
By the way what is the reason for cancelling the movie more than a few days? I mean i can imagine that they need to diffuse the situation a while but they can still release it in 15 days or whatever time is needed for things to calm down and maybe in that time even find the hackers origin and counter attack them even if possible why not. The thing is that caving itself is a PR nightmare actually. They look like losers, cowards, boneless people. What is this? With all the news about the movie they couldn't buy a better ad campaign actually! So yes they will lose traffic to those afraid but they will get notoriety because of all that happened so they will recover their cost to make the movie anyway unless the movie itself is of totally horrible quality.

By the way to idiot people afraid to go to the movies because lol cyberpunks will "assassinate" 1 atom of their body with neutrinos from another galaxy, the chance to get killed in the movie, even if they had sleeper cells available here in US, is not larger than the chance to get killed by a traffic accident eg per month of active driving.
Hard to release into zero movie theatres.
12-18-2014 , 05:08 PM
I realize that this is the reaction of theaters now for various reasons due to holidays etc. Its an economic stress issue they want to avoid regarding a broader fear emerging picture involved (like other movies are suffering due to that one playing ). But i cannot imagine they are so weak 15 days later ...otherwise this is a very weak country producing such message. Either this is US, a top superpower, or its some loser country yielding to online punks! If capitalism is that weak then it deserves to go down in flames anyway. If producing a poor taste movie sucks then this sucks 10x more to witness inside a powerful society. You do realize how weak this looks in the eyes of people worldwide now dont you? Not only that but on a purely symbolic level it strengthens the oppressive North Korean regime and ridicules the west actually.
12-18-2014 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Noze
Obama already had an appropriate response: "Go to the movies."
Reminds me of Bush post 9/11: "go shopping".
12-18-2014 , 05:14 PM
Regal Cinemas isn't a sovereign nation though masque
12-18-2014 , 05:49 PM
I'm guessing that, early on, Sony made a secret deal with hackers not release some embarrassing and/or legally damaging Sony correspondence in exchange for cancelling the movie. The theater companies were probably asked by Sony to "front" the cancellation process. Nothing else makes much sense here.
12-18-2014 , 05:52 PM
Don't think there had to be a secret deal if they knew there was a lot of other damaging/embarrassing **** out there to be released.
12-18-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
I'm guessing that, early on, Sony made a secret deal with hackers not release some embarrassing and/or legally damaging Sony correspondence in exchange for cancelling the movie. The theater companies were probably asked by Sony to "front" the cancellation process. Nothing else makes much sense here.
Well no- plenty of other explanations, including the one we've been given, make perfect sense.
12-18-2014 , 06:01 PM
RowCoach how big is your neocon boner that the US might escalate things with N. Korea over this?
12-18-2014 , 06:17 PM
I am curious what sort of response RowCoach would like to see.
12-18-2014 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
Re: it's an Act of War, it's not obvious what declaring it casus belli even gets us. The author and the sources even admit this is completely asymmetrical and the North Koreans are using proxies to do their dirty work. So what does it mean to say it's an Act of War, then? What does it call on the US to do? Rolls tanks through Pyongyang? Carpet bomb a desperately poor country into submission? That's probably not quite the right means to stop 5 dudes writing code somewhere, even if you agree with the premises it's a cause for war.

So in the end that article strikes me as using a really loaded and dramatic term, a legal precept that emerged centuries ago, to describe some kind of behavior (and a response?) which is atypical and unprecedented. Maybe the US government should respond (I don't think so, but OK), but describing it in the terms of some kind of conventional war is senseless.
Grunching, but NK declared the movie itself an act of war. I guess we want to prove them right :\
12-18-2014 , 06:31 PM
If Anyone's interested, you can see the whole face-meltening on vox

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/18/741599...-assassination
12-19-2014 , 02:02 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...m-america.html

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Three movie theaters say Paramount Pictures has ordered them not to show Team America: World Police one day after Sony Pictures surrendered to cyberterrorists and pulled The Interview.
12-19-2014 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
A proportional response? Like, the US should feel free to hack and publish all the embarrassing contents of North Korea's largest and most popular movie studios?

Hey guys, look, this leaked email just showed the North Korean Angelian Jolie starved to death while on set filming North Korea's next epic motion picture, that is, whatever video could fit on a 2 GB first generation iPhone some North Korean smuggled in from South Korea?
You never know in today's world. I would of thought the ray rice thing was very self explanatory but it wasn't until the video came out that everyone decided now was the time for not just the NFL to change it's poilcy on domestic violence but for the entire country to do so.

Never know what could spark change.

Sometimes it takes hitting people over the head with a sledge hammer to get the point across. MAYBE we take notice and the rest of the world takes a pro active response as aggressive as getting ray rice kicked out of the league.

Maybe leaking ALL Kim's criminal acts of humanity would bring enough international pressure for China to back off their support of N. Korea. Can't help but think if we launched a full scale attack digitally or boots on the ground it would be like Shaq guarding a Kindergartener.
12-19-2014 , 05:11 AM
I live near Hollywood. I don't appreciate Sony making a movie putting me as a target over Japan or China. What if someone made a $100 million budget ISIS movie about Obama being beheaded and his girls and wife being raped, ha ha. Sickos. What if this movie was released into North Korea. Don't you think it would change public perception in the country? Example of American self-righteousness.
12-19-2014 , 08:14 AM
I love that steelhouse literally prefaced that with that he "lives near Hollywood" as if that has actual merit.
12-19-2014 , 08:32 AM
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North Korea's largest and most popular movie studios
Erm, did I miss sumthin' here?
12-19-2014 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by spike420211
Erm, did I miss sumthin' here?
12-19-2014 , 10:29 AM
Yeah I'm sure that hypothetical film would totally ruin North Korea's approval rating in America. Also my brother does, in fact, live in Hollywood and does not give a **** about Sony making this movie. He actually thinks it's a joke that the distribution was canceled, so at least the "dudes in Hollywood" ledger is now balanced on 2p2.
12-19-2014 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dallas,Texan131
You never know in today's world. I would of thought the ray rice thing was very self explanatory but it wasn't until the video came out that everyone decided now was the time for not just the NFL to change it's poilcy on domestic violence but for the entire country to do so.

Never know what could spark change.

Sometimes it takes hitting people over the head with a sledge hammer to get the point across. MAYBE we take notice and the rest of the world takes a pro active response as aggressive as getting ray rice kicked out of the league.
How exactly would you guys like to 'hit North Korea over the head with the hammer'? This is the post-policy world described earlier; America needs to ACT TOUGH and DO SOMETHING and CHEST THUMP and well what that looks like hey I dunno, maybe bombs or Navy Seals? SOMETHING THO

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Maybe leaking ALL Kim's criminal acts of humanity would bring enough international pressure for China to back off their support of N. Korea. Can't help but think if we launched a full scale attack digitally or boots on the ground it would be like Shaq guarding a Kindergartener.
Yes, I'm sure the Chinese are just completely in the dark about North Korea's human rights records, have never themselves hacked North Korea's meager networks, and the white light of America's magic CIA hack0rz showing just what terrible douchebags the regime in Pyongyang is will change everything.

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Your response seems genuine enough so my sarcasm is probably out of line. But the whole POINT of this little aside here is that all the US can do here is talk tough guy talk but generally has no good options. Saying the US has to 'bring the hammer' with no suggested application is reinforcing that notion that seemingly right-wing America just wants some pointless signaling America is a tough-guy. The US can't 'put boots on the ground' partly because of some obvious global geopolitical and practical reasons: I don't think China is going to want our marines and aircraft carriers stomping around next door; I don't think either our strong ally South Korea or China wants ****tons of desperately poor and starving North Korean refugees flooding across their borders while the US is busy saving Sony from hackers, and I don't think the US wants to dismantle the regime either and be left with 25 million desperately starving and probably hostile North Koreans either. So now the 'boots on the ground' are doing what? Searching basements for dudes password phishing and packet sniffing?

The goals make no sense, euphemisms about hammers are interesting like listening to the Rock on the microphone in the WWE is interesting but once you move out of the realm of euphemisms and into real world applications the case falls apart pretty quickly.

Lastly, that the global community isn't aware of North Korea's grotesque human right atrocities, particularly the Chinese, and could be swayed to act (again, how?) is laughable. North Korea is already basically completely isolated from the global community, there's not much leverage to win there, and everyone knows how brutal the regime is.
12-19-2014 , 10:38 AM
Steelhouse the Red Dawn remake isn't a documentary, I think you can sleep safely tonight.

Wait, did someone just use the words "boots on the ground" regarding North Korea and, specifically, getting China to back off their support for North Korea?
12-19-2014 , 10:44 AM
Adam Sandler's honor MUST be defended, for freedom.

      
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