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Has a positive connation in the UK. Many of us identify as being PC*

Those who object to pc use the same meaning as well. They just don't think it's a good thing (or have confused PC with health and safety)

* maybe particularly from my generation who saw what a huge positive difference it made

I'd stop short of saying positive. It has mixed connotations, the same way terms like left wing, right wing, socialist, or conservative do.

08-27-2016 , 05:19 PM

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chezlaw

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Fair enough but it has positive connotations among people who are PC. As opposed to the USA where even the PC people still see it as a perjorative.

08-28-2016 , 03:25 PM

#78

florentinopeces

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

That's not unPC

Learning calculas properly requires well above average intelligence and a lot of work.

In the US, land of fatass diet drink drinking people of high self-esteem it is most certainly an unPC statement.

08-28-2016 , 03:27 PM

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florentinopeces

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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib

You know they just covered this on NPR recently. Say there's a big issue with how we teach math in America.

Who besides Grandma listens to NPR? Main big issue teaching calculus in the US is that fat ADD people are lazy connivers, and most Americans are fat and have ADD.

08-28-2016 , 03:30 PM

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Bladesman87

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Fair enough but it has positive connotations among people who are PC. As opposed to the USA where even the PC people still see it as a perjorative.

BNP has positive connotations amongst BNP members.

08-28-2016 , 03:50 PM

#81

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

BNP has positive connotations amongst BNP members.

Sure though why they sponsor the french open is a mystery.

The unusual think about members of the usa pc community is that they don't seem to think it has positive connations

08-28-2016 , 06:05 PM

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SuperUberBob

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If poor people pulled out the world would be a better place

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08-28-2016 , 08:07 PM

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Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

I'm sure it has nothing at all to do with women being excluded from STEM fields for most of human history.

i have an long-time friend who graduated from Harvard in mechanical engineering and got her Phd in the same from Stanford, and she makes an additional point that for
The most part fathers in our spciety don't take their daughters to help fix the cars or do other mechanical **** with them. Is it at all surprising that fewer women wind up in STEM fields when they are being conditioned from a young age that boys are good at math and girls a good a cooking?

08-28-2016 , 08:42 PM

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einbert

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Looks like women were doing just great in Computer Science until right around 1980-1985, then something happened and women have been greatly declining in Computer Science ever since. Whatever it was, this graph greatly leads me to believe that women are perfectly capable at Computer Science. There's something cultural going on. Some have pointed to the marketing of the personal computer as a toy for boys in the early 1980s.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/20...stopped-coding

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In the 1990s, researcher Jane Margolis interviewed hundreds of computer science students at Carnegie Mellon University, which had one of the top programs in the country. She found that families were much more likely to buy computers for boys than for girls — even when their girls were really interested in computers.

This was a big deal when those kids got to college. As personal computers became more common, computer science professors increasingly assumed that their students had grown up playing with computers at home.

Patricia Ordóñez didn't have a computer at home, but she was a math wiz in school.

"My teacher realized I was really good at solving problems, so she pulled me and this other boy out to do special math," she says. "We did math instead of recess!"

So when Ordóñez got to Johns Hopkins University in the '80s, she figured she would study computer science or electrical engineering. Then she took her first intro class — and found that most of her male classmates were way ahead of her because they'd grown up playing with computers.

"I remember this one time I asked a question and the professor stopped and looked at me and said, 'You should know that by now,' " she recalls. "And I thought 'I am never going to excel.' "

Some great food for thought in any event.

08-28-2016 , 08:45 PM

#85

Loki

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Need more bootstraps

08-28-2016 , 10:48 PM

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lumberajack

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08-29-2016 , 12:15 AM

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gobbo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

It's funny that the stereotype is that girls are good at cooking because in professional kitchens, women are completely ostracized. It's very much a boy's club.

On a separate note, personally, I think safe spaces are absolute garbage. It makes you much stronger emotionally to have to deal with people saying ****ty things to you.

08-29-2016 , 04:10 AM

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microbet

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Originally Posted by einbert

Looking at that chart I would compare computers to physical science and suggest (unPCishly) that maybe in the mid 80's computer science changed from being a more academic and collaborative pursuit to being a more independent, competitive and commercial one. Or maybe it was War Games and guys thought they could be cool, save the world and get Ally Sheedy.

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08-29-2016 , 05:01 AM

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RainierWolfcastle

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Originally Posted by gobbo

On a separate note, personally, I think safe spaces are absolute garbage. It makes you much stronger emotionally to have to deal with people saying ****ty things to you.

Which is amusing because IME both traditional conservative and alt-right pundits go out of their way on a regular basis to explicitly remind their readers/listeners that they are much smarter than liberals. Referring to such media as "safe spaces" is being generous.

08-29-2016 , 08:17 AM

#90

Loki

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Originally Posted by gobbo

On a separate note, personally, I think safe spaces are absolute garbage. It makes you much stronger emotionally to have to deal with people saying ****ty things to you.

Yeah man, nothing helps someone learn calculus quite like white frat guys screaming racial epithets at them.

It's not distracting, it's inspirational!

08-29-2016 , 08:44 AM

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Subterranean2

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Trump will make America great again, if a wall can keep the wildlings out why wouldnt it keep mexicans out? Jon Snow is a sjw cuck, Tywin didnt need no safe space.

08-29-2016 , 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by microbet

I can't speak for the ladies but for me War Games and Super Mario were definitely big influences.

08-29-2016 , 11:19 AM

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FoldnDark

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Freak!

08-30-2016 , 05:07 AM

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David Sklansky

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Originally Posted by darksideofthewal

If there was a mandatory advanced calculus (integrals as a function of 2 variables, integration by substitution) test in 6 months, where all those who failed would be shot, I think you would get around a 75% pass rate.

What would be the pass rate if the test was ten years from now and to pass you needed to get a 2200 chess rating (by today's standards)? Again assuming that failure meant death.

08-30-2016 , 05:45 AM

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florentinopeces

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Originally Posted by darksideofthewal

Good lord no. Even if you restricted yourself to engineering students you'd be shooting most of them if you graded reasonably.

08-30-2016 , 05:47 AM

#96

florentinopeces

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Originally Posted by einbert

Looks like women were doing just great in Computer Science until right around 1980-1985, then something happened and women have been greatly declining in Computer Science ever since.

Probably this is when it became a profitable career. Conventional wisdom is that percentage of men is an indicator of social prestige.

08-30-2016 , 08:44 AM

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BoredSocial

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I think democracy is only good because it allows for peaceful regime changes. This is a rather large advantage over other systems (see: Middle East) but it's basically the only real advantage it has.

As a result I'm getting really tired of people arguing against things because they are 'undemocratic' as though that was enough of an argument to automatically squash something. I also think that democratic primaries are probably the single worst thing to happen to our country in the last 35 years.

That's my less than politically correct thing that I almost never get around to saying.

08-30-2016 , 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by florentinopeces

Probably this is when it became a profitable career. Conventional wisdom is that percentage of men is an indicator of social prestige.

Did you even look at the graph? It's clear you didn't, so I'll explain it to you. Medical School, Law School, and Physical Sciences (all profitable careers) continued to increase after 1985. Computer Science went down. Do you think that Lawyers and Doctors are not considered to have social prestige? It's hard explaining every little detail to people like they are two years old because they always have their conservative agenda to fight for rather than letting themselves look at reality.

08-30-2016 , 09:39 AM

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Trump supporters aren't experiencing "economic anxiety," they're either flat-out hateful racist pricks (most of them) or they have been conned into an alternate reality universe through years of FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, Breitbart, and other sources of fake information. They're racists or *******s or morons, but most of them are all three.