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01-24-2017 , 09:14 PM

#24501

kerowo

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He's probably still shocked that he found the one car full of black youths that didn't have a gun in it...

01-27-2017 , 08:18 PM

#24502

aoFrantic

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Chicago doesn't make the top 10 most deadly cities in fbi crime data. Racists get really mad about that on twitter

01-31-2017 , 08:45 PM

#24503

dinopoker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuluck414

Can you show one person who used the stand your ground defense who was not convicted of murder and should have been?

There is a case pending in I think Pennsylvania where a gun owner shot someone on there property, they will likely go to jail for attempted murder because they weren't in immediate danger.

George Zimmerman comes to mind.

02-05-2017 , 03:42 PM

#24504

grando1.0

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http://jacksonville.com/news/2017-02...ures-brother-4

Gjge Florida

02-05-2017 , 06:42 PM

#24505

OmgGlutten!

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More Florida ftw

Diaper thief, battling Walmart employee killed by other shopper in Walmart parking lot who entered situation with a gun and then felt threatened and had to use the gun.

FLORIDA!!!

02-05-2017 , 09:58 PM

#24506

JimHammer

Digg'n the gifs

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Stealing diapers is a capital offense in Florida.

02-05-2017 , 10:24 PM

#24507

kerowo

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It seems absurd that you can put yourself into a position to feel unsafe enough to kill someone. That sounds a lot like hunting.

02-05-2017 , 10:26 PM

#24508

ymmv

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinopoker

George Zimmerman comes to mind.

lol no

02-06-2017 , 12:17 AM

#24509

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

It seems absurd that you can put yourself into a position to feel unsafe enough to kill someone. That sounds a lot like hunting.

That's why I wish there were mandatory classes to get a cpl, the one thing they really drill into your head is to never insert yourself into a situation unless there is a dire threat to someone else. In fact they teach you to actively avoid situations like that, nothing good comes from it.

02-16-2017 , 01:37 PM

#24510

Huehuecoyotl

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A federal judge in Kansas City expressed deep skepticism on Tuesday about whether he will approve a multi-million-dollar settlement offer in a class-action lawsuit against Remington Arms.

The offer is the result of allegations that the nation’s oldest gunmaker had knowingly installed faulty trigger mechanisms in its most popular rifles for more than 40 years. The defects left some of the firearms prone to dangerous accidental discharges. Under the terms of the settlement, Remington is offering to replace millions of the guns’ trigger assemblies without admitting wrongdoing. Critics, including 10 state attorneys general, say that’s not good enough.

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Quote:

While the agreement reached between the gun company and the plaintiffs spares Remington from blame, the problem was well-known to the manufacturer. An engineer who in 1948 helped design the 700 rifle told CNBC and attorneys in a court deposition that he had proposed a safer trigger design that would reduce the risk of misfire. The alternate design was rejected by the company because it would increase the cost of each gun by 5.5 cents.

For decades, Remington wrestled internally with what to do about the faulty firearms, mulling a voluntary nationwide recall in 1979, 1994, and 2002, before ultimately modifying the trigger mechanism beginning in 2007. But the company was careful not to acknowledge the risk to customers, CNBC reported.

One reason the company was so slow to act on the problem is that gun manufacturers are exempt from many consumer safety reviews and regulations in the United States. At the behest of pro-gun members of Congress, the Consumer Product Safety Commission is legally barred from addressing defects in firearms and ammunition. No gun recall can be initiated by the federal government.

https://www.thetrace.org/2017/02/rem...t-too-lenient/

02-16-2017 , 05:53 PM

#24511

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

It seems absurd that you can put yourself into a position to feel unsafe enough to kill someone. That sounds a lot like hunting.

Florida situation is awful, hopefully he is held accountable.

But surely you can think of some situations where what you said isn't absurd? Or no?

02-16-2017 , 08:15 PM

#24512

kerowo

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If you know you're going do something to be in an unsafe situation you shouldn't do that. You should back off and call for help. Owning a gun doesn't make you a vigilante, it doesn't give you the right to go out of your way to shoot people.

02-17-2017 , 03:07 PM

#24513

General Tsao

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So if you see a person getting beat to death in an alleyway, you should call for help. It'll only take the cops 10 minutes to get there, I mean, how much damage can be done in 10 minutes, right?

02-17-2017 , 09:10 PM

#24514

kerowo

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Where is the law that says you have the right to defend someone else? I'm fine with guns being used for self defense but I'm not interested in some gun nut thinking a CCW permit makes him a cop.

02-17-2017 , 11:57 PM

#24515

iron81

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Defense of others is a well settled extension of self defense.

02-18-2017 , 12:03 AM

#24516

kerowo

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I wouldn't be surprised, it didn't sound right when I wrote it. I still have problems with people with guns putting themselves in a position where they can murder people because they don't feel safe.

02-18-2017 , 11:39 AM

#24517

bluesbassman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

Where is the law that says you have the right to defend someone else? I'm fine with guns being used for self defense but I'm not interested in some gun nut thinking a CCW permit makes him a cop.

Citizens and cops should be held to the same standard. If I as a citizen witness, by a "reasonable person" standard, someone in a life-threatening violent situation, I should have the right (but not the duty) to use deadly force to defend that person. Same as a cop. It has nothing necessarily to do with CCW.

It's actually quite basic and fundamental.

02-18-2017 , 11:44 AM

#24518

kerowo

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Bull****. Properly dealing with life threatening situations requires training, something we DO NOT require before giving people permits to carry. Having an armed citizenry blazing away at bad guys is a gun nut wet dream.

02-18-2017 , 11:55 AM

#24519

fuluck414

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

That cop that was saved by a armed passerby in Arizona last month. Should he have just called 911 and kept going?

02-18-2017 , 11:57 AM

#24520

fuluck414

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Also, I don't know where you got the idea that we walk around all day just praying we can find a reason to start shooting people.

I and every other cpl holder I know pray that we never have to draw our weapons. Sure is nice to be prepared though.

02-18-2017 , 12:56 PM

#24521

Jiggymike

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iron81

Defense of others is a well settled extension of self defense.

That's kind of interesting, in that it seems to grant the privilege of murder to some people but not others. What if the assaulter was in the act of self defense and now you are shooting the defender? Seems like a dicey situation to interject yourself into yet the gun nuts always seem to be heavily on the side of doing so, which is why we accuse them of fantasizing about using their guns. Defending an agent of the law seems reasonable, however.

02-18-2017 , 01:06 PM

#24522

bluesbassman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kerowo

I suppose that means if I come home to find an intruder stabbing my spouse or kids to death, I'm not allowed to use lethal force to stop him. I just gotta stand down and watch, or perhaps try to engage him hand-to-hand without using a weapon.

That's obviously insane, but thankfully our laws weren't written by people that nuts.

The only "wet dream" here is your (bizarrely sexual) fantasy that CCW holders are running around "blazing away" at bad guys. Most of the country allows CCW, and despite the rare anecdotes, that's not happening.

02-18-2017 , 10:51 PM

#24523

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fuluck414

That cop that was saved by a armed passerby in Arizona last month. Should he have just called 911 and kept going?

30,000 other people were killed by guns last year, what's your point?

02-18-2017 , 10:53 PM

#24524

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesbassman

No, that's exactly what I didn't say. Protecting your kids and your house is fine. Going out and putting yourself in a situation where you feel threatened is what I'm talking about.