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Incorrect how? The point I am making is A) gun free zones are soft targets, they know there won't be any armed resistance and B) if they still chose to open fire how many could have been stopped before reaching mass shooting category?

01-10-2017 , 07:25 PM

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fuluck414

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Is there any place in the world where someone doesn't have a right to self defense?

No there is not, I feel much better having a gun against a guy with a knife, or having a gun against multiple attackers.

01-10-2017 , 07:26 PM

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How would you have distinguished Roof from any other law-abiding gun owner until the point he opened fire?

I don't know enough about him, there could have been signs or he could have just snapped. It's not for me to decide.

01-10-2017 , 07:27 PM

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Yeah kind of curious how that was met with:

-A non-reply.
-A false assumption.
-And TWO factually false statements.

Crazy!

And a link from you to educate ourselves. If only you actually cared enough to make your point instead of just assuming we'd get it!

01-10-2017 , 07:30 PM

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Try telling this guy he shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun

http://www.kmov.com/story/33572536/p...o-neighborhood

01-10-2017 , 07:32 PM

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You know how to solve that issue? Be a responsible gun owner. When I am at home my gun is either on me and loaded or in my bedside drawer with the magazine out and the slide racked open, I'd love to see a toddler get a round in the chamber and get a shot off.

Except we have proof that people are only responsible gun owners until they aren't, and since you can't teach people who won't learn, that option is off the table

01-10-2017 , 07:36 PM

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Aren't armed guards all over any major airport? wasn't an armed police officer on scene in less than a minute? Didn't the shooter bring his gun to the baggage claim area legally?
That seems to be an odd example of a gun-free zone

01-10-2017 , 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fuluck414

Incorrect how? The point I am making is A) gun free zones are soft targets, they know there won't be any armed resistance

Seems like "they" actually don't know that if >half of public mass shootings take place outside gun free zones

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Originally Posted by fuluck414

and B) if they still chose to open fire how many could have been stopped before reaching mass shooting category?

Apparently not a lot? What's the "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun" count at?

01-10-2017 , 07:48 PM

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Not in baggage claim most places. He was out of ammo and laying on the ground by the time police arrived. He brought his gun legally, it ceased being legal as soon as he took it out of the locked case. No law abiding gun owner will have a loaded weapon in that area.

01-10-2017 , 07:48 PM

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btw, worth reiterating as you attempt to Walk It Back™ what "the point you are making" actually was:

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Where do those shootings happen? Gun free zones. They are not there because those law abiding gun owners, follow the rules.

Nope. No no no no no. Wrong.

01-10-2017 , 07:50 PM

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btw, worth reiterating as you attempt to Walk It Back™ what "the point you are making" actually was:

Nope. No no no no no. Wrong.

I was under the impression we were talking about public places where strangers were targeted, like the ft Lauderdale shooting, Orlando, France, etc.

01-10-2017 , 07:51 PM

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Go ahead and ignore the link I posted too, plenty of examples like it out there.

01-10-2017 , 07:52 PM

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No there is not, I feel much better having a gun against a guy with a knife, or having a gun against multiple attackers.

Right, so the Right to Self Defense isn't the "right to self defense", it's a commercial right to specific products.

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01-10-2017 , 07:57 PM

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Right, so the Right to Self Defense isn't the "right to self defense", it's a commercial right to specific products.

Sure, if that makes it easier for you

01-10-2017 , 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by fuluck414

Try telling this guy he shouldn't have been allowed to own a gun

http://www.kmov.com/story/33572536/p...o-neighborhood

This guy was much more likely to get himself killed doing what he did than letting the robbers get away with whatever piddly goods they were after

01-10-2017 , 08:05 PM

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If a 73 year old can get a gun out and shoot two suspects who have the drop on them I'm thinking he wasn't in as much danger as he thought he was.

01-10-2017 , 08:06 PM

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This guy was much more likely to get himself killed doing what he did than letting the robbers get away with whatever piddly goods they were after

That's a choice he should be able to make.

01-10-2017 , 08:07 PM

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If a 73 year old can get a gun out and shoot two suspects who have the drop on them I'm thinking he wasn't in as much danger as he thought he was.

Pretty sure having a gun to your head is about as dangerous as it gets

01-10-2017 , 08:07 PM

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He WAS a law abiding gun owner until he put the ammunition in the gun

01-10-2017 , 08:10 PM

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Pretty sure having a gun to your head is about as dangerous as it gets

And yet he, a 73 year old, was able to get to his gun and shoot the guys who were robbing him. Was he Chuck Norris? Or just super spry?

01-10-2017 , 08:11 PM

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He WAS a law abiding gun owner until he put the ammunition in the gun

Cool, so we agree.

01-10-2017 , 08:13 PM

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And yet he, a 73 year old, was able to get to his gun and shoot the guys who were robbing him. Was he Chuck Norris? Or just super spry?

Maybe he distracted them, I don't know, I'd rather not wait and find out if they are going to pull the trigger.

01-10-2017 , 08:23 PM

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Cool, so we agree.

Yes, that your insistence of "only bad guys use guns badly" is super bull****.

You cannot accurately describe to me when a good guy with a gun becomes a bad guy with a gun, and all I'm saying is... maybe we shouldn't have people have the free and unlimited ability to own pieces of metal that can kill many at a time if there is absolutley no way to determine who is someone good that wants to use it compared to who is someone bad who wants to use it.

01-10-2017 , 08:24 PM

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Maybe he distracted them, I don't know, I'd rather not wait and find out if they are going to pull the trigger.

You'd rather go for your gun and practically guarantee that they pull the trigger?

What are the odds that these guys never pulled a gun on the old man? Is there any evidence? Video proof? Did the police find a gun next to the bodies?