Do you think the number of bullets fired is the best measure of how well guns are working to do certain things?

What? I'm addressing your ******ed argument. If the reason to oppose additional gun control laws is because existing gun control laws did not prevent this tragedy, do you also oppose current laws against murder?

They also did not prevent this tragedy.

Also, how come it's illegal to drink and drive? There are fatal accidents involving alcohol constantly!

27 more dead in mass shooting

Obama show some balls ban handguns and most of the guns

I must have missed that.

As a human being, I would prefer that my representatives in government, y'know, civilization as it were, didn't torture anyone. Ever. Because it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. No matter who you do it to.

Ron Paul 2012!

No, you weren't. I was mocking the argument you think I was making.

bwahahaha, yeah. the government has nuclear weapons, drones, tanks and chemical weapons, but they are staying out of your house and leaving you alone because they are scared of getting shot at.

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so aperently im getting spammed bc someone with the same name as me killed some ppl... wtf?

Duh, if you don't want one extreme you obviously want the other extreme.

lol owned

I don't know the exact date of the last time an innocent person successfully defended their self from the government. You can head over to the law and order thread and find a few examples of people both defending against government force and being killed by government force.

Also I thought the government was, in fact, tyrannically stealing half of pvn's income each paycheck, and generally trampling all over his liberties.

At what point does that AR-15 in the bedroom closet kick in to save the day?

yeah I mean they would whoop a bunch of dirt poor arab dirt farmers or asians living in the jungle, wouldn't even be close. why even fight the war, just sort by number of nukes, become military engagement expert.

I agree with the idea that now is the time to push regulation. Some say, you are politicizing a tragedy, etc., but so what ? When the goal is to prevent these absolute disasters, what's wrong with being political to achieve that aim? But I still think the time to regulate was was years ago and that there are too many guns floating around, to the point that you cannot have effective regulation. I mean, it would take decades to round all the guns, and that's assuming someone could actually finally reign in the NRA, which is unlikely, even given this sort of mass shooting seems to be a monthly occurance. I still think you go to any major city and see the mentally ill pretty much abandoned on the streets an you are seeing another effect of the fact that we have piss poor mental healthcare. Insurace generally doesn't cover it, etc.

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Today I learned that the only mandatory waiting period the gun-lovers favor is one between a mass shooting and a dialogue about gun violence.

My proposal is to require 100% background checks of all handgun purchases, eliminate the gun show loophole, limit handgun purchases to one a month, and mandatory 10 year prison sentence added on for any crime committed with a firearm. Also, to ban all clips larger than 20 bullets and to ban all automatic weapons.

I'm sure that's a non-starter, but it's a non-emotional proposal, as I've held most of those positions for a couple decades.

So let's hear yours. That is, assuming you actually have one.

Someone has to operate these weapons. If the government started a mass campaign to kill people, you think the number of operators might shrink a bit in a country with a whole lot of guns?

Nuclear weapons aren't a realistic weapon for governments to use against their own people. Can you guess why?

I think it's morally reprehensible to prevent law-abiding citizens who can't afford to live in low-crime areas.

I explicitly said I wasn't proposing it as a moral solution. I was proposing it as one that might actually be effective in deterring and preventing these awful crimes.

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Gold.

I get all the rest, but I never understood the point of this one. Just limiting the amount of guns out there in general?

THIS IS...ACTUALLY BELIEVE

every American should be required by law to carry a loaded weapon at all times, no exceptions. if you are caught without your loaded weapon you'll receive an automatic 2 year prison sentence.

oh, and free ammo to all. just stop by your local 7-Eleven when your clip is empty.

let's go all-in on this ****.

I don't know what makes me sicker, this awful tragedy committed by the worst sort of human garbage.. or the tidal wave of idiocy ITT.

eta: def the shooting, I feel like I'm gonna vomit. but jeebus you guys need to get a grip.