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12-14-2012 , 03:15 PM

#1251

Kaiser Soze4

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Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 258

There are too man guns alredy no? No matter what a person thinks about gun control unless we address the poor level of mental healthcare in the US, this kind of thing will continue to happen. We can change the constitution,maybe, but then we would have to go down a very Orwellian road, searching private residences to try to grab up all the truly dangerous automatic type weapons, once we decide which they are, and then stop all of the underground sales, and then..... it won't work right? Until we get better mental healthcare this kind of thing will be part of our country forever.

12-14-2012 , 03:16 PM

#1252

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Also, I strongly doubt the political right wants to have a real conversation about how we deal with mental illness in this country.

Sterilization would snap be a part of the Tea Party platform, obv. Jefferson was for it, so we should be too!

12-14-2012 , 03:16 PM

#1253

Low Key

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

Also, I strongly doubt the political right wants to have a real conversation about how we deal with mental illness in this country.

and the gun nut forum where they all argue in favor of armed crazy people was what again?

12-14-2012 , 03:17 PM

#1254

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Sure because those things clearly were expressly made to kill other people.

yes i'm sure the victims are super concerned about what the item was 'designed' to do, that's all that really matters here.

12-14-2012 , 03:17 PM

#1255

13ball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

That is irrelevant.

DUCY?

You've moved the goalposts.

you: think of the children
me: try harder
you: well there are children involved. we make bad things illegal sometimes.
me: yeah there's a non-emotional argument to be made there
you: well yeah but sometimes emotional appeals are effective

wat?

You're confusing a logical explanation of why something should be done (X harms children; X should be banned) for a purely emotional argument.

"I should have a right to a gun because I want to defend my children from harm" is an example of a "Think of the children" argument that people use all the time in support of gun rights. It's not fallacious at all, it's perfectly logical. Yes, it has an emotional component, because virtually every argument has an emotional component.

12-14-2012 , 03:17 PM

#1256

rjoefish

Got Out the Vote

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 31,086

He killed an kindergarten class.

They're saying he killed his mother in Jersey before going to the school.

12-14-2012 , 03:18 PM

#1257

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules22

Closer to thirty dead now according to CNN. Surprised neblis isn't here jacking off all over himself. I'm sure the white knights will come piling in until then tsao and pvn are carrying the water quite efficiently

really not hard to win this one when 'if the teacher was armed this would have stopped in a second' trumps just about any appeal to emotion the pro-gun-victim lobby has (that's you guys)

12-14-2012 , 03:18 PM

#1258

nullspace

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,858

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Soze4

Exactly.

Mental health needs to be addressed, but not in a compassionate and expensive way (because this is America right).

It needs to be done in a ruthless and efficient way.

Anyone who shows anti-social tendencies needs to go on a no-gun list.

12-14-2012 , 03:19 PM

#1259

Riverman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

and the gun nut forum where they all argue in favor of armed crazy people was what again?

The NRA opposes any measure to close the gun show loophole (lol loophole, it is 2 out of every 5 gun purchases), which allows anyone to buy a gun without a background check. This is pretty conclusive proof that the NRA is in no way serious about disarming the mentally ill.

12-14-2012 , 03:19 PM

#1260

pvn

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Posts: n/a

Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Lowkey, weren't you an OK poster? What happened man?

Jesus are you for real? You're sitting here talking about how anyone who isn't just like you is LITERALLY INSANE and you're calling other people out for being bad posters?

12-14-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1261

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Neblis is too busy polishing his AKs so he's ready when they come for his guns. He'll take as many as he can!

12-14-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1262

pvn

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Posts: n/a

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mondogarage

Exactly, you're not allowed to talk about gun control policy unless you're a Faux News talking head, or Ted Nugent.

yeah nice that's exactly what I'm saying

I guess I should adopt this tactic and just claim that anyone who wants any restrictions on guns wants to completely disarm the population so they can more easily ship us all off to their re-education centers without resistance. Would that be cool with you? That's what you want the dialog in this thread to look like?

BTW these are actual questions for you and I'd appreciate a response.

12-14-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1263

joeyDizzle

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Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,227

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

but wait, electricity could kill me, but it also provides power for my computer and cellphone telephone

I'm so conflicted about liking something that could kill me!

and animals, for food, so that people can eat, to live

Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

I'M A VEGETARIAN!

He doesn't stop to think for a second to think of poor people living in rural areas that need protection against wild animals from time to time. A knife will kill that bear or wild boar just as well as a 7 mag. The poors should just move to the city, I'm sure he feels the same way about abortions and poor women in Mississippi.

12-14-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1264

General Tsao

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverman

riverman,

i got a background check done every time i've bought a gun

what part of that procedure do you think would show that i'm deranged?

12-14-2012 , 03:21 PM

#1265

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

Jesus are you for real? You're sitting here talking about how anyone who isn't just like you is LITERALLY INSANE and you're calling other people out for being bad posters?

People who want everyone to have guns and use them as toys are not normal. I'm sorry you take this personally.

12-14-2012 , 03:23 PM

#1266

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Please don't lump us all in here. Those of us who grew up around responsible adults were taught the difference between right and wrong and that things that kill people are bad.

So government agents shouldn't be allowed to have guns in your opinion?

What about cars? Cars kill people, that's not debatable at all. Are they bad?

Ladders?

Swimming pools?

Do these things not "kill people"?

12-14-2012 , 03:24 PM

#1267

Case Closed

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 19,112

Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

really not hard to win this one when 'if the teacher was armed this would have stopped in a second' trumps just about any appeal to emotion the pro-gun-victim lobby has (that's you guys)

You went to grade school, right? Do you honestly think a grade school teacher with a gun is going to help the situation? Your view on this situation is the height of absurdity. The shooter(s) had bullet proof vests and a plan. If a teacher had a gun then they would just be shot first. It's not like random kindergarten teachers are going to be carrying a well maintained glock on their person at all times.

12-14-2012 , 03:24 PM

#1268

Riverman

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

riverman,

i got a background check done every time i've bought a gun

what part of that procedure do you think would show that i'm deranged?

Well we could start by not selling guns to felons and domestic abusers (can't vote, but you can go to a gun show and buy a killing machine!). With respect to mental illness, how about if you've been admitted to a hospital for mental illness your primary physician has to certify that you aren't still suffering from mental illness that makes you dangerous.

12-14-2012 , 03:24 PM

#1269

rjoefish

Got Out the Vote

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 31,086

His mom worked at the school.

12-14-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1270

Case Closed

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

riverman,

i got a background check done every time i've bought a gun

what part of that procedure do you think would show that i'm deranged?

You should have to undergo testing before you get the gun. An ability to avoid black marks on your record is not good enough.

12-14-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1271

ForumWithdrawal

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 5,532

They said the suspect was 20 years old and used two common handguns.
Federal law states you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun.

12-14-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1272

pvn

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Posts: n/a

Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

Sure because those things clearly were expressly made to kill other people.

dude

you said

AND I QUOTE

"things that kill people are bad"

AND

earlier you said that this was about people having toys to hunt. Not to have toys to kill other people.

Are deer people?

I mean you're a joke. You're just throwing every possible appeal to emotion you can think of out there and seeing what can stick. It doesn't even register in your head that one of your posts contradicts others. It's all one big cloud of HURRRRRRR BAD

12-14-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1273

Riverman

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Shooter's name is Ryan Lanza. 24. Killed his mother too, who worked at the school.

12-14-2012 , 03:25 PM

#1274

13ball

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser Soze4

Banning all guns is probably not possible in the short term, but it could certainly be accomplished in the long term and I hope that it will be.

12-14-2012 , 03:26 PM

#1275

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by pvn

No cops/etc shouldn't be allowed to carry guns routinely (obv assuming regular people can't have guns at all). They should have to get special permission bc of extraordinary circumstance to use them.

Obv I was referring to the fact that guns exist to kill people. Cars, etc have a different primary purpose.

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