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Old 11-25-2012, 11:53 AM   #101
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Re: November Low Political Content Thread

There is a positive correlation between causation and positive correlation.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:26 PM   #102
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:29 PM   #103
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:03 PM   #104
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If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:06 PM   #105
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guys, the gun thread(s) is(are) down the hall.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:16 PM   #106
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If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.
i think the point is that gun-control-nuts always say that banning guns will reduce crime. here we have a massive increase in gun ownership and instead of crime increasing it has been decreasing. this clearly implies that either gun ownership has little to do with crime, or it actually does reduce crime.

OR other factors have been so greatly improved (...) that the huge negative impact guns have has been offset!
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:30 PM   #107
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If you guys want to believe that guns reduce crime, go right ahead. Doesn't mean you are right.
No one said that, even though it is likely true. The thing that has been proven over and over and over again and again is that moar guns != more crime.

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guys, the gun thread(s) is(are) down the hall.
I looked and couldn't find it but i am lazy
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:52 PM   #108
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i think the point is that gun-control-nuts always say that banning guns will reduce crime. here we have a massive increase in gun ownership and instead of crime increasing it has been decreasing. this clearly implies that either gun ownership has little to do with crime, or it actually does reduce crime.

OR other factors have been so greatly improved (...) that the huge negative impact guns have has been offset!
Banning guns could reduce crime even if increase in gun ownership doesn't increase crime (which hasn't been proved or argued competently for obv).
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:54 PM   #109
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Then I can say extremely comfortably you aren't familiar enough with the pro gun argument to comment.
You can guess (or maybe you can't) how much weight I put in this.
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Old 11-25-2012, 04:01 PM   #110
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I'm sure it's under what it should be.

You proved my point later on ITT btw, discussing your family member who is in some type of militia or something.

I assume you believe that to be a normal part of gun ownership?
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:06 PM   #111
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Yeah, it's called the NRA.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:13 PM   #112
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Hmm. I've never heard of NRA militia tactics training.

Can you link it or did you pull it out of your ass?
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:26 PM   #113
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I was just going off the back of that dude's shirt from the other day.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:27 PM   #114
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BTW, even though rjoe is just trolling it up here, if anyone else is interested in what the actual NRA's actual position on militias are, here you go:

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BE IT REAFFIRMED AND RESOLVED THAT:

The NRA vehemently disavows any connection with, or tacit approval of, any club or individual which advocates (1) the overthrow of duly constituted government authority, (2) subversive activities directed at any government, (3) the establishment or maintenance of private armies or group violence.

The NRA does not approve or support any group activities that properly belong to the national defense or the police.

The NRA does not approve or support any group that by force, violence, or subversion seeks to overthrow the Government and take the law into its own hands, or that endorses or espouses doctrines of operation in an extralegal manner.

The NRA stands squarely on the premise that the ownership of firearms must not be denied American citizens of good repute so long as the firearms are used for lawful purposes.

The NRA has insisted, does insist, and will continue to insist on the traditional right of American citizens to own and use firearms for lawful purposes.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT:

Although the NRA has not been involved in the formation of any citizen militia units, neither has the NRA discouraged, nor would NRA contemplate discouraging, exercise of any constitutional right.

The NRA strongly supports the Constitution of the United States, and the Second Amendment to that document, which guarantee the right of citizens to participate in militias for proper, lawful and constitutional purposes.
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So no, the NRA is not in fact behind the whackjobs in the forest training for Red Dawn.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:30 PM   #115
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WOLVERINES!!!
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:30 PM   #116
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From 1994 yo. Things have changed.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:46 PM   #117
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Last statement I can find. I'm not a member of the NRA, I dislike the fact that they cave to anti gun types too often.

I'm on my phone, if you can find a better statement I apologize. I found that and a few LOLHuffPo articles where Wayne LaPierre made some statements bitching about the economy and crime, and something something "WOLVERINES" came from it, but it was that standard "it's a dog-whistle" rhetoric.
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Old 11-25-2012, 05:51 PM   #118
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I'm sure it's under what it should be.

You proved my point later on ITT btw, discussing your family member who is in some type of militia or something.

I assume you believe that to be a normal part of gun ownership?
No....I'd be willing to bet my cousin is below average even for guns rights nut. Granted, it's no surprise he is attracted to guns rights as a hobby and not math, poker etc. And he's not in a militia. He goes around and shoots guns in the woods with his friends preparing for the upcoming invasion of the federal government since Obama got reelected.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:02 PM   #119
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Boy this truly is a scripted liberal debate. Now we've transitioned from "You guys are racists who want to "GUN DOWN THA BLACK UTES!" to "You guys are dumb".

What's next, a "Yo Momma" joke?
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:04 PM   #120
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If taking people's guns is as difficult as keeping this nonsense out of the LC thread obama has no chance.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:24 PM   #121
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Re: November Low Political Content Thread



/monthly gun tangent
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:32 PM   #122
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I you guys can't figure how to start a new gun control thread, I don't think society should trust your ability to safely operate firearms.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:42 PM   #123
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DBL, didn't you get angry at people who noted that gun nuts are paranoid weirdos with a troubling fetish for fantasizing about the opportunity to shoot people?

Beyond that I'm pretty sure the Persian invasion had nothing to do with taking away Sparta's guns(also the 300 died and so were probably pretty disarmed imo. I was a little worried when you guys didn't stick around to the end of The Boy Who Cried Wolf, but now you can't even sit still through an action movie?), lol, that picture is exactly what we were LOLing about. ****ing weirdos.

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Old 11-25-2012, 06:46 PM   #124
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Also there's no way to untangle the anti-UN, pro-race war, pro-coming financial apocalypse, 2nd amendment remedy stuff. It's not like those come in individual packages, there aren't people who are VERY VERY SERIOUS about dying before allowing their guns to be confiscated but think the economy is fine, that Obama is pretty moderate center left American citizen who was lawfully elected, etc.
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Old 11-25-2012, 06:55 PM   #125
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The issue is that you're unable to grasp two things:

1) The majority of gun rights advocates do not hold uniform beliefs that extend far beyond "No gun control".

And just as a general lesson on debating:

2) No matter the subject, when your arguments are so well beaten that you must cling desperately to the commentary of fringe nut cases and strawman those into the positions of an entire movement, you've lost and should quit.
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