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05-09-2013 , 10:12 AM

#12051

pvn

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Originally Posted by goofball

expand please

On what? The idea that political resources are finite?

05-09-2013 , 10:58 AM

#12052

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by pvn

So what you're saying is that it will take in incredible amount of effort to get this stuff passed???

At the very least, background checks are a realistic goal. You can't block something that 80-90% of the voters are in favor of indefinitely.

05-09-2013 , 11:16 AM

#12053

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I mean, it's a realistic goal to build a moon base, too.

05-09-2013 , 11:22 AM

#12054

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Ending drug war: no problemo, just focus on it!

Background checks with ninety percent approval: LOL KEEP DREAMING

PVNNNNNN

05-09-2013 , 11:56 AM

#12055

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Originally Posted by pvn

I mean, it's a realistic goal to build a moon base, too.

There isn't 80% public support for a moon base, so no.

05-09-2013 , 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

Why does ending the war on drugs, fighting poverty, and fighting for more education/living wage opportunities for people preclude fighting for common sense gun safety measures? Like making sure people we've already decided shouldn't own guns (felons, domestic violence offenders, sex offenders) don't get to own those guns!

If gun violence has been on the decline, why the urgency over those other things that are on the rise? Especially if some of those things may help lower the violence rate in general.

I'm not against gun safety measures, but I'm not sure they should be higher priority, especially if gun violence has been shown to be in decline.

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05-09-2013 , 12:58 PM

#12057

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Originally Posted by dth123451

Ending drug war: no problemo, just focus on it!

Background checks with ninety percent approval: LOL KEEP DREAMING

PVNNNNNN

so again, why hasn't it happened?

05-09-2013 , 12:59 PM

#12058

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

There isn't 80% public support for a moon base, so no.

people love moon bases, but that's irrelevant. The support level isn't the issue here. It's a doable thing.

05-09-2013 , 01:01 PM

#12059

rjoefish

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http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+and+Bi...ticle30405.htm

05-09-2013 , 01:09 PM

#12060

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Wait, is the new GRA argument that we shouldn't be trying to pass common sense laws regardless of the merits because it's politically unfeasible under the weight of their own uninformed opposition?

"You guys may be right, but there's too many of us and we're too stupid to understand it so STOP TRYING!"

05-09-2013 , 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by drugsarebad

No, go ahead.

I'm just pointing out that if your actual motive is saving lives (and you believe that dead people killed by guns are worth just as much as dead people killed by other non-gun things) then there are tons of other things you could be doing with the time and effort spent on this that would save a lot more lives.

05-09-2013 , 01:17 PM

#12062

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cliffnotes: the "if it saves ONE LIFE it's worth it" argument is still dumb even if we are talking about guns

05-09-2013 , 01:22 PM

#12063

rjoefish

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Can we go back to talking about moon bases?

05-09-2013 , 01:25 PM

#12064

Low Key

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That depends, do you value deaths on the moon as much as you do deaths on earth?

05-09-2013 , 01:29 PM

#12065

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Originally Posted by pvn

people love moon bases, but that's irrelevant. The support level isn't the issue here. It's a doable thing.

Where's your evidednce that there is broad spport for a moon base program?

05-09-2013 , 01:31 PM

#12066

rjoefish

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totally a good poll

05-09-2013 , 01:38 PM

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total votes: 5,618

Man, Newt Gingrich sure has a lot of spare time these days.

05-09-2013 , 01:42 PM

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Again, I'm not sure what the public support level has to do with whether something is realistic or not. There is a pretty low level of public support for bank bailouts, are those unrealistic?

05-09-2013 , 01:53 PM

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The last gun bill suffered a narrow defeat, 80-90% of the public wants registration, and you're insisting that a stripped-down, gun registration bill would be as difficult as a moon base. I mean, literally, winning a few votes is like going to the moon, that's what you're telling us.

Stick with the funny gifs, pvn. Making analogies really isn'th working out for you.

05-09-2013 , 02:01 PM

#12070

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Originally Posted by pvn

Oh, "actual motive." I missed the conspiracy theory angle of all this.

What's standing in the way of common sense gun laws is hearts and minds, and that's it. It's a very successful lobby and their uneducated followers. If that was enough in and of itself to toss good laws off to the side, then schools might still be segregated, gay marriage might not be legal anywhere, any marijuana might not be legal anywhere, for any purposes.

05-09-2013 , 02:06 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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The best part is that it's the anarchist guy telling us we should stick to easily realizable goals.

05-09-2013 , 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

The last gun bill suffered a narrow defeat, 80-90% of the public wants registration, and you're insisting that a stripped-down, gun registration bill would be as difficult as a moon base. I mean, literally, winning a few votes is like going to the moon, that's what you're telling us.

facepalm

thanks for playing

show him what he's won

05-09-2013 , 02:19 PM

#12073

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Trolly,

simple question: do you think building a moon base would be a good use of taxpayer resources?

05-09-2013 , 02:20 PM

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PVN,

You can't win 'em all. Just give up on this one. You are literally arguing that liberals should be trying to end the drug war because that would be easier politically than passing background checks for gun purchases. Just stop.

05-09-2013 , 02:21 PM

#12075

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Originally Posted by Riverman

PVN,

You can't win 'em all. Just give up on this one. You are literally arguing that liberals should be trying to end the drug war because that would be easier politically than passing background checks for gun purchases. Just stop.

no.

there are tons of other things people who say they care about saving lives could be doing that would be more productive than worrying about background checks.

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