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So I ask again...

How you gonna get rid of the 422,000 deer annually? You gonna ask them to politely leave? How about we ask them to eat less? Or look before they cross the road?

Isn't it possible for officials to get rid of them, not regular citizens?

12-05-2012 , 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vajennasguy

Wait, how is the food supply shrinking? I thought there was an extra 422,000 deer for them to eat.

Yeah, but at some point, if we are going to talk what if's, the deer will be all gone???

12-05-2012 , 08:54 PM

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So you do accept that it was a ******ed argument to make. Fwiw, i am probably closer to your camp than goodies.

Except I didn't say what you said I said.

I said there'd be an increase, I went so far as to specify it wouldn't be drastic.

You seem to think it would be drastic.

Wolf attacks sound scary to me bro.

Also, I'm much more concerned about your middle of the road idealogy than guys like Goodie and goofball.

12-05-2012 , 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Isn't it possible for officials to get rid of them, not regular citizens?

Do you realize how many people take to the woods every year to get rid of 422,000 deer?

In the Michigan, that number was estimate at over 600k for 2011.

But lets say that the government is going to do it. How? And how much is it going to cost? And how is it going to be paid for? How does the DNR make up the difference for the loss of millions of dollars in revenue from license sales?

Keep going. I'll listen. You tell me how the officials are going to do what it take 600k people to do currently, in a cost effective manner. And replace the millions in lost revenue while you're at it.

12-05-2012 , 09:02 PM

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Yeah, but at some point, if we are going to talk what if's, the deer will be all gone???

Lolol. So now your argument is if we don't hunt, the deer population will be decimated? It's not that hard. Wolf population increases, deer population decreases, and an eqilibrium is met. Nature, how does it work? Somebody should bail out the guy with 1754 posts.

12-05-2012 , 09:08 PM

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Take all the money that the 600 thousand red necks spend on guns they have no good use for and use that money to pay for it. Done. Easy.

Last edited by Goodie; 12-05-2012 at 09:11 PM. Reason: Obviously kidding. I'm quite sure we can figure out a way to kill a ton of deers without individual citizens doing it.

12-05-2012 , 09:10 PM

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Bingo. Guy with more than 178 posts understands equilibrium. Isle Royale is a perfect example of this.

But how does this help the livestock and car/wolf accident problems?

12-05-2012 , 09:10 PM

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Take all the money that the 600 thousand red necks spend on guns they have no good use for and use that money to pay for it. Done. Easy.

OWOW

Thread delivers!

12-05-2012 , 09:13 PM

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Take all the money that the 600 thousand red necks spend on guns they have no good use for and use that money to pay for it. Done. Easy.

According to Goodie, we now cannot have guns. And we have to pay the money that would have been spent on said guns to the government.

Someone else come up with something. Realistic. That might work. I'm all ears.

12-05-2012 , 09:14 PM

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Nice edit.

12-05-2012 , 09:22 PM

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Nice edit.

Well, I was kidding. I'm not COMPLETELY nuts.

12-05-2012 , 09:28 PM

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Well, I was kidding. I'm not COMPLETELY nuts.

It's all good.

You want to remove all guns from the population, including those used for hunting. I showed you a problem that would arise if this happened. I even went as far as showing that said problem was real. Now it's your turn to provide me with a solution to the problem.

12-05-2012 , 09:33 PM

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Not really my job to provide the solution. I have a stance and have no way to implement it, nor do I need to, and I completely understand that what I suggest will absolutely never ever happen.

That doesn't change my stance.

12-05-2012 , 09:42 PM

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But that's kind of how a debate works. You offer a stance, I provide with you with a problem that will occur as a result of your stance, and you either offer a solution to the problem, or we get to LOL at your stance as being unrealistic and a fantasy.

In the sake of sportsmanship, I would like to apologize to the guy with 182 posts.

12-05-2012 , 09:54 PM

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No it's not how a debate works. I'm not, nor are you, going to be able to outline exactly how to solve the problem of violent crime with guns. It's not an easy problem to solve nor does it likely have a solution. I believe that citizens not owning guns would help the problem. I don't know how to implement it nor do I care since it will never happen anyhow. We're (or at least I'm) arguing ideals here.

12-05-2012 , 09:59 PM

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So to wrap this up, you've dug your heels in and refuse to acknowledge any possible downside to a gun ban, but you'll continue to go in circles saying "ban all guns"?

CSB

12-05-2012 , 10:03 PM

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You ain't gotta like me, you just mad cause I tell it how it is and you tell it how it might be.

12-05-2012 , 10:17 PM

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Deer also starve if populations go unchecked. It's more humane to hunt them. Paying the gov't to hunt deer lol.

12-05-2012 , 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

So to wrap this up, you've dug your heels in and refuse to acknowledge any possible downside to a gun ban, but you'll continue to go in circles saying "ban all guns"?

CSB

Nope. I acknowledge all of the downsides of banning all guns. I just believe that the upside outweighs. Seriously, dude, I've made that insanely clear about 20 times already. C'mon.

12-05-2012 , 10:19 PM

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You ain't gotta like me, you just mad cause I tell it how it is and you tell it how it might be.

No. You just like the way it is and I'm trying to make things better.

12-05-2012 , 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Also, I'm much more concerned about your middle of the road idealogy than guys like Goodie and goofball.

This is my position:
I live in Canada and I am happy with the regulations we have here. If our government decided to relax the regulations to the point of many American states, I would think that was a poor decision, but I wouldn't really give a ****, because I don't live in the city, where I think people would be most affected. I might start giving a **** if and when things got as violent here, as it is down there. However, if my government tried to impose laws of the type Goodie is proposing, I would be outraged and be fighting against it alongside gun owners.