No, that is, to use your own words, your ******ed ass misinterpretation/oversimplification

One of the sentences of mine that you quoted was that gun owners should be trained to that effect (that firing a gun should not be a first action). Do you think training like that should be legally required when purchasing a gun, and say, every couple of years thereafter? I do.

I think the best thing for gun owners to do would be to support training for themselves and others.

People are outraged at this old guy for executing the intruders, and rightly so. But another issue is that he lay in wait for them and fired as soon as he had the shot.

I like the training thing. I don't know why people get so pissed about free government funded firearms training for civilians.

Oh I wouldn't make it free.

Then I don't support it.

GTFO with your ****ing poll tax rhetoric.

I won't defend the guy in any real sense, but the story does note that he was robbed previously and had some guns stolen, so in his mind, he very well might have thought the intruders were armed (possibly with his own weapons).

I definitely agree with the latter, not so sure on the former. I'm not "required" to take drivers ed before I own and operate a car, but it's a really good idea that reduces insurance rates and statistically lowers car accidents iirc.

Perhaps gun apps for states could be modified to include language acknowledging how "shoot first" isn't a legally-supported principle?

I dunno. I haven't thought tons on the subject so this is just my first sort of spitballing.

I will say that, even though it's not required, I still plan to take some form of gun safety education course when I finally do buy a gun, because I don't wanna hurt my friends or family on accident.

maybe add 5 bucks to each gun purchase, and make it include a DVD about gun safety/rules?

(in b4 bluray/dvd desert)

Lol equating it to a poll tax

Taxes on guns are legal in our system, right?

What's the difference between mandatory training (OK by you) and taxes to pay for it (not OK by you)?

I can get behind that.

What I can't get behind is forcing some poor schmuck who wants to get into skeet shooting to pay $1k for a class worth $150 due to a government monopoly artificially increasing the demand and controlling who can instruct the course for the "greater good" of making sure poor people are disarmed.

Good for you sir, and I mean that. I think it's important. Honestly I could do with another class since I'm not sure I've had anything in the way of training since hunter's safety as a teen (other than my dad drilling stuff into my brain). I think if I bought a handgun, I'd definitely do a class.

One thing I'll add as advice, is I think proper storage of weapons is really important. I have a friend that keeps his handgun in his car, I personally hate that and advise him not to. Similar to what I wrote earlier about thinking of the cons, say I had a gun stolen, I'd be ashamed having to admit to a police officer that there was another gun out there.

Like, if this guy in MN had a gun safe, he probably wouldn't have had any guns stolen previously. I don't think most random break-ins are prepared for drilling into a safe.

You tear down that strawman! Show him what's what!

In my imagination, it wouldn't be government run. It'd be similar to car inspections: independant companies get their programs licensed and they handle the training. Group classes shouldn't be that expensive.

Anyway, I don't want to quibble over the details - there are a lot of ways to skin the cat I am sure, and I don't know all of them. I just think it's important to require training at some level, covering safety, procedure and local laws. Glad you guys can support that to some extent even if we disagree on how to pay for it.

Let them have toys!

/agree

And there was general LOLing at Freepers

We were discussing a hypothetical JFC

of course not, you are his audience.

NO his point was to take my hypothetical discussion with suzzer and turn it into "LOL nibbles is a crazy racist wanna be militia who dreams of shooting people."

of course you do, people from the south are racist murderous scum.

1.25 seconds for an aimed shot from concealment IMO. Faster if the target is close

Not sure if this was intentional, but I lol'ed.

See, now you get it. I don't think they're especially murderous, but certainly racist and in love with the right to bear toys.

You've never heard that before?

It's a pretty standard retort from a gun rights supporter when a gun control advocate calls them paranoid, although usually the "you're paranoid" thing comes up in right to carry discussions.

This is the only forum I frequent where the hypothetical possibility of Red Dawn occurs in every discussion about guns.

Law: everyone must have training to purchase a gun

Law2: the state certifies the trainers

LDO next step is training now costs $1000 and there is a two year waiting period. ezgame

You should take lots of classes, they are good fun and you meet good people. I try to do at least one big one a year.

Its also good to find someone trustworthy to help you one on one at first.

I didn't actually own a gun at the time!

XD

Grunching


Can a mod remove the extra comma from the thread title??