Let him figure out first why gun ownership rates aren't as important as gun+ammunition ownership rates.

I am genuinely unsurprised that you failed to posit any answer to my question.

Louis, the first claim you made in a discussion with me was an outright falsehood.

Get rid of toddlers. Guns don't kill people. Toddlers kill people.

So all Japan needs is more guns and then it can take over the #1 spot from the USA?

Sweet!

The only way to reduce death by suicide is give everyone fast and easy access to suicide.

How about cheap and easy access to mental health services?

Do you know how much it costs to see a therapist without insurance?

I think vaya was joking.

Probably more accurate to say that he was being facetious.

On the subway this morning, some quasi-homeless guy was sleeping in a seat. Then all of a sudden he jumped up and threw a few punches at the midsection of a random 30ish year old commuter. It was hard to tell whether the homeless guy pulled his punches or they simply had no impact because the commuter was wearing a heavy coat. In any case, the commuter didn't have much a reaction. He just turned around and looked at the homeless guy. The subway was crowded and lots of people sort of shuffled the homeless guy out of the car.

If only I lived in a more gun-friendly city, I might have seen a shooting! That would have been exciting!

Ever here of the requirements for using deadly force? A homeless guy punching you does not fit the bill.

http://gundigest.com/concealed-carry...e-deadly-force

It's sweet you think the average gun nut has that much training on using their toys. Also, you forgot the magic word that makes murder OK; "I felt threatened."

You'd be surprised, I'd wager the majority of cpl holders have that much training.

I know in my state when you get your cpl they give you a condensed version of what I posted.

Also, I dealt threatened doesn't hold up in court, the burden of proof is on the defense to prove it was a good shoot.

Can you show one person who has used the stand your ground defense and was convicted of murder?

You are missing the point. I assume that most people who carry guns for non-sporting and non-work related reasons do so because they fear for their safety or the safety of their families. But how rational is that fear? The scene I saw today was definitely freaky and ****ed up. I've never seen anything like it in 25 years of riding the subway. But it wasn't dangerous. And somehow I understood that it wasn't dangerous, just as the commuter understood that it wasn't dangerous. How did we know? It certainly was theoretically possible that the homeless guy was stabbing the commuter rather than punching him. It was hard to be 100% sure because everything happened very quickly. But my gut sense, based on seeing a lot of erratic behavior on the street and in the subway, was that the situation was not dangerous.

I strongly suspect that someone with less exposure to erratic behavior would have felt more threatened. And I don't trust the reactions of people who (i) are carrying guns; and (ii) honestly feel threatened, whether they are in actual danger or not.

Can you show one person who used the stand your ground defense who was not convicted of murder and should have been?

There is a case pending in I think Pennsylvania where a gun owner shot someone on there property, they will likely go to jail for attempted murder because they weren't in immediate danger.

Lol this guy thinks an American jury will convict someone for shooting a homeless guy who threw some phony punches...doubt it even makes it to trial tbh.

I don't fear for my safety but I like to be prepared In case I'm ever in a situation that I would fear for my safety.

Any handgun class ever taught teaches that even drawing a gun is the absolute last resort, I'm fact they teach avoidance of situations that could turn out violent.

It would take a lot for me to draw my gun. Hell, if somebody pulls a gun on me to try and Rob me, guess what I'm doing? Pulling out my wallet and giving it to them.

I'm in favor of mandatory classes on when force is necessary and basic handgun type stuff in order to get a cpl.

If you can spare 9 minutes take a look at this.

https://youtu.be/M1u0Byq5Qis

I'm willing to concede the obvious -- that sometimes situations will arise in which it would have been better if crime victims had been armed.

I assume that you would concede the equally obvious point -- that there are many situations in which gun ownership leads to unnecessary shootings. Is that correct?

Sure, that's why I think those that want to carry legally like I do should have to take some form of training class like I did electively.

1 count murder, 3 counts attempted murder:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.1978021

Edit: nevermind

I am surprised, they must not have found a gun in the car.

That guy murdered people in cold blood because they were disrespectful towards him.