That's other people letting go, I guess. I'm talking about you letting go.

Circus Music/etc is a meme here in Politardia. You can't unring that bell. It's going to be mentioned from time to time for the foreseeable future. You making like Teh Jabber-Wookie, and always trying to get the last word in, ain't never going to change that.

None of those posts were ever deleted. Those of us who were around way back then are fully aware of all the facts. Anyone else can just look them up. Nobody, besides you, are discussing the facts at all. What could there possibly be to discuss, as a matter of factual dispute, all these many years later?

If we're talking about wil's greatest hits, this slipped admission of being a white nationalist seems fitting.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=13658

Ok well let me clarify for you. Letting it go, for me, largely means not dragging past events up. It can go further with a line drawn and include not addressing points anymore (unless something genuinely new happens) - the Bruce Fiasco for example.


I don't agree others aren't discussing facts but it's a bizarre objection to be in favour of dragging it up but against including facts

If it was a negative fact do you think people would be objecting so much?

Please don't use Satanism as an insult/pejorative, there's no need to perpetuate the Satanic panic

So, "letting go", to you, means other people changing their behaviors. But, and correct me if I'm confused, "letting go", to you, doesn't mean you changing your behaviors?

Also, and this is a point I keep making, and you keep ignoring...

Peeps typically bring up Bruce Z's Mental Fiasco as an example of various things. Various things that cannot coherently be discussed without concrete examples. When referenced in this manner, which again is typical, peeps aren't "dragging past events up". Peeps are not trying to re-litigate any facts. Your entire, quite frankly incoherent, point of views regarding "dragging past events" and "facts" and "he's not here to defend himself" are all 100% not relevant... when some old posts are simply being used as an example.

If fact, your whole de-facto "no quoting" rule put large areas of conversation effectively off-limits in Baja.

I have no idea what "negative fact" you are referring to. I also am at a loss to understand how any fact could be "negative" or "positive", in any coherent sense of those words, at this late date.

No. It means me not dragging up old stuff that would be better left in the past.

Once it's not been left in the past then it's too late to stop it being dragged up.

I don't really know how to address it. We're seem too far from common ground.

I'm not quite sure what 'no quoting rule' you're referring to (we had lots of rules ) but yes some conversations were off-limits. Should have been more

Seriously. You think people would be objecting so much if Wil had instead disputed the decision I made in LG's favour and someone brought that fact up.

chezlaw pretty clearly does not believe in empirical reality. At like a foundational level, it's a game to him. Shame Trolly's post about him "moving on" is a good point, he moves on when he's tired of playing. He still lies about **** constantly, but after a while he gets tired of it and wants other people to stop contradicting him with the truth.

He doesn't understand why those people are so stubborn about arguing just because they are describing what actually happened while chezlaw is just making up **** to troll, to him we're ALSO just making **** up. You see it sometimes when someone tries to gotcha him with some short term hypocrisy, when he contradicts a recent post he made. He'll say some **** like "Did I say that? Surely I didn't. I'd have to check" and **** like that.

And that mindset is why he was given a forum that literally was created to be a rule free playground and did such a ****ty job it got closed.

Because when people were like "hey, uh, there's open ****ing white nationalists trolling here and the mods are green texting people who call them ******s" chezlaw saw that as not an accurate description of his ****hole forum, but a Position Taken By The Silly Kids, which meant he was going to take the opposite Position for the lulz.

Fly, I still have hope that one day you will come to understand why using autism and disabilities to score your political points can be considered a bad thing.

Maybe you will even stop doing it one day.

What you keep not getting is that every time someone mentions Circus Music/etc, they aren't meaning to "dragging up old stuff" at all. Period.

They are typically using it as a generic example of a fool flipping out and having, as you call it, a fiasco... all over simply reading the r-word. Now, fools flipping out and having fiascos... all over simply hearing the r-word... is very relevant IRL politics right now IRL. This just happens to be our best and most famous example right here from Politardia. Peeps are going to very reasonably, and very legitimately, use this example, as strictly an example, from time to time, for the foreseeable future.

Even if you insist on perceiving every single mention of Circus Music/etc to be only mindless and gratuities "dragged up"... you still got a choice to make as a poster. One choice is to make like Teh Jabber-Wookie, and always try to get the last word in. Another choice, not mutually exclusive, is to just not comment at all. When you say it's "too late to stop it"... aren't you actually referring to this moment of choice?

Man I couldn't have written a better post.

But if they gave me a forum to mod, it damn sure wouldn't have gotten closed because of excessive Nazi content. Yours did. That's your ****ing 2p2 legacy now. The man who was politically correct, who was so capable of identifying and sanctioning problematic ableist writing that he let a ****ing cesspool of literal white nationalists ****post about the death of Heather Heyer.

Be proud of who you are and what you've done, chez. People aren't going to be putting a line under that **** for a long time. From now until your inevitable banning for defending a cross burning or whatever the **** you'll get got for, this is going to be something people lord over you.

I know you're convinced that reality is just some weird ****ing joke, that everyone is in some sort of bantery group DM where we all agree to gang up on you for the lulz or whatever the **** your personal delusion is, but it's not. Reality is reality. And your strident pro-Nazi policies as a mod are why P7 is closed. And we're never going to let you forget it.

I'm not sure I've ever responded to that but sure it's a choice to contribute facts to an 'example' others have dragged up.

You may be critical of people who do that, for some reason, but it's not the same choice as dragging it up in the first place. It's the later I try not to do too much. Happens a bit with posters like Fy but even then I restrict myself a lot.

The fact that you scare-quoted the word 'example', then proceeded nonstop to "dragged up", tells me you are ignoring what I'm saying. I'll just point out that I know what brand of bb to roll by you... and leave it at that.

There's no scare quote or ignoring. I just don't seem to have much idea what you're trying to say.

Chezlaw, do you know what the term "gaslighting" means?

I've take responsibility for my failures Fly. I appreciate you will go on about it forever and think it makes any difference to me. My failures bother me but you add nothing to that. Nor do all your flights of fancy about me.

I already know that I got it wrong over some posts. I'll still hope a seed has been planted that gets you to reconsider using autism/etc to score political points.

password reset shenanigans

chezlaw, I agree with you regarding Fly (and some others I've seen) using terms like aspie or ****** to insult people. Totally uncool.

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03-13-2017, 07:56 AM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=200

03-13-2017, 01:49 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=237

I think they and plenty of others are wrong about opposing PC. It's much the same as arguing that action against LGBT+phobic speech is a bad thing because it helps bigots in the forum.

Arguing against political correctness, or arguing against the PC rule that was in place in P7?

Essentially the same thing. The rule was based on the PC ideal of making the effort to avoid offense to socially vulnerable groups.

It's a bit vague and messy but nonetheless a very good thing to strive for even if we fall short.

The Lirva post about shooting anything and anyone that happened to wonder on his property stands out to me (I think that was in unchained, not here, but could be wrong).

Political correctness is not the same thing as the PC rule that was in place in P7. But since you're treating them as one in the same, I'll go ahead and say that no, the PC rule was absolutely horrible, because it was completely illogical.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=151



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=158


Someone in the thread stated Breitbart was an excellent source of information, and I then made a post criticizing Breitbart as not credible, linked to two critical analysis articles detailing how two Breitbart articles presented falsehoods, and linked to two Breitbart articles themselves. For this, chez gave me a time out for violating the PC rule by linking to Breitbart.

chez then bullies me as a new user account


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=178

So he was down with banning a new user for criticizing Breitbart and providing a citation, but wasn't down with banning literal white nationalists who were literally being apologists for white nationalism terrorism.

Not only was he threatening to ban me unless I outed any previous accounts I had, but he also deleted my post criticizing Breitbart. This is the same mod who would not delete white nationalist propaganda posts. (is this being PC chez???)

After deleting my Breitbart post chez gave me a timeout. I then quoted my Breitbart criticism in a repost, because I had posted it in ATF. I was then banned by chezlaw, for violating the PC rule, by linking to Breitbart, which was a post so offensive it had to be deleted.



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=272


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=273

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=274



Here's a great one.



chez, would you say Jews are a protected group? What about the LGBT? Blacks? Groups of people that are subject to a great deal of prejudice and violence. The PC rule was there to try to help protect these groups.

So why did you ban me, and delete my post criticizing Breitbart, but not ban people literally being apologetics for a white nationalist terrorist attack, and delete their posts?



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=147


Here's a gem of a post that is still up in the Trump thread.


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=13622


There was some discussion on it in ATF in which chez said:


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=306


So what gives chez? What exactly is the reason you delete posts criticizing Breitbart and ban the user that makes it, but you do not delete literal white nationalist terrorist attack apologetic posts and ban the users that make them?

How PC is this chez? You banned me for criticizing Breitbart and deleted my post, but you didn't do a god damn thing to mongidig who posted white nationalist terrorism apologetics, and didn't do a damn thing to his post. How exactly is this PC?

You've always seemed a bit off to me. The illogicality of your decisions, combined with your bullying of me, made you seem off. And with seeing so many people who I know have good judgement saying the same things about you, you just seem off. A little alt.