Let's not forget TS's infamous rant on how chez's PC is enabling Hitler.

No worries man, I checked for you - that is exactly what happened. Wilch realized he was going to lose, and in one of the more alcoholic drunken stupors I've ever seen unilaterally imposed a 1 hour time limit that had not previously existed, claiming that if LG didn't get his info in by the end of that hour that wilch would be the winner. Numerous times during that hour he posted updates with the number of minutes remaining before LG would be declared the loser.

So like, yeah, he may not have disputed the result after you had declared LG the winner. Fine. Cool. Dude still tried to straight up welch on a bet he knew he was going to lose by claiming victory if LG didn't comply with a standard that wilch himself came up with after the bet was confirmed.

Keep defending him though. Good look.

Wilch also cried about bonuses not counting, and then tried to declare net income not gross. (i.e. - tried to compare incomes after taxes and other withholdings such as 401K.)

He tried every dirty play in the book. But ChezLie thinks he was nothing but pure class.

Before 11.08.16 I would've believed it possible to all be performance art.

Is it a good look to attack a 2+2ers reputation about betting in a forum where they are banned from defending themselves?

Making clear about the facts of what Wil's actions alongside wil's posts and people's interpretations of them (good luck with btw) should be done as a minimum.

The very next post:

LG was a true gentleman and scholar.

chez,


There is literally nothing wil could say or not say to make people think higher of him.

I mean, you do recall Pv8.8 was just closed due to wil and co defending a murderous nazi, right?

It should also be noted that LG, knowing he would win, very decently gave Wil repeated opportunities to cancel the bet. Full kudos for that.

My post was a factual assessment of wilch's actions that day. It is notable that you disagreed with nothing I stated.

It's OK to continue attacking the welching behavior he exhibited in his drunken ramblings prior to paying out on the bet - again, stated with mere facts - much as it remains OK to call out ****ty things that dead people did prior to their death. Just because wilch got himself banned for ****ty posting doesn't mean he is magically immune from criticism in this forum based entirely on facts.

Now, if people start posting falsehoods, then sure, go ahead, defend him til the death. But let's at least be honest enough with ourselves to call a wilch a wilch.

Chez and wil are very similar, let's not forget that. Chez just doesn't get drunk and lose his composure. See: the current gaslighting going on.

Also, stop complaining about forum rules in thread Chez. PM a mod or something.

Part of TS' Worst Week Ever:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...ghlight=hitler

Oh yeah can we get the thing where chez banned people from even mentioning ToothSayer being a racist because he lacked a "right of reply," which he's now apparently re-invented here in defense of another horrifying racist?

it's all so glorious

It doesn't get remarked on but chez also shares wil(and FoldN's) at times extremely odd posting schedule. The sort of posting schedule that makes one suspicious that chemical assistance may be involved.

That really was the most incredible alpha move. We should build a statue of LG where P7 once stood

Only on your straw world fly. I drink on occasions but so rarely when posting that you're being most unfair on drink. Other chemicals - sadly not at all.

Hmm...

I still maintain that chez isn't some secret-inner-heart deplorable and has little love for them, he just wants to atone for his part in getting BruceZ gone and now wants to run Sensible Arbitrator Guy into the ground.

But.

At this point I don't even think it ****ing matters anymore. I assumed chez had a limit.


We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be.

-Mother Night

chezlaw isn't a Nazi because, well, at least it's an ethos. That's too much for chez. Affirmatively supporting a policy framework? No chance.

He, like a lot of modern reactionaries, is purely motivated by contradiction of liberals and leftists.

(It is 3:25 am in London right now.)

It's not about love 6ix, I just don't have the hatred for people.

Absolutely. One of the reason for PC and for letting people move on. You could usefully think about it more

another useful skill to cultivate is choosing your battles wisely :P

You're simply wrong Fly. I do support policy frameworks. I support JC's labour with enthusiasm and I was supporting him when many other labour supporters were giving him a very hard time.

It's 3:29am and I confess I'm totally sober.

I'm on record as halfway of your PC philosophy, where it's one half the homespun wisdom of "Fake It 'Til You Make It" and one half based on studies where when people are forced to talk and about others in less derogatory ways, they actually start to think in those same ways.

But.

There's a limit.

I mean, in light of this kerfuffle, I gotta ask, are you familiar with the specific plot of Mother Night?

I agree there's a limit.

On the other hand the strategy of tieing people to more extreme views is very limited too. Not if you're thinking about making them president obviously, but in general.