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07-06-2015 , 04:36 PM

#126

seattlelou

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Death threats def change the money equation. Thanks!

07-06-2015 , 05:59 PM

#127

PocketChads

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LOL

07-06-2015 , 06:23 PM

#128

FlyWf

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

It's still a ****ing wedding cake that they ended up getting for free. Someone told them that they wouldn't make a cake bro. That's all.

Turns out that wasn't all. Funny that.

But rest assured, to lou and ikes, this can forever be remembered as another example of crazy juries(even though it was a judge) and the need for tort reform. Big boys who read big boy stories.

07-06-2015 , 08:35 PM

#129

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Death threats def change the money equation. Thanks!

By how much?

07-06-2015 , 08:40 PM

#130

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Evidently the cake store owners published personal info of the couple on Facebook which led to them receiving death threats, so that probably contributed to the award:

lol

07-06-2015 , 08:43 PM

#131

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by adios

By how much?

I dunno.

07-06-2015 , 08:57 PM

#132

goofball

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So every time you're asking yourself if you think it'd be OK to discriminate against a gay person, try replaceing "gay person" with "black person" and then see if you still think it's OK. I'd posit the answer should always be the same when you swap "gay" for "black."

07-06-2015 , 08:58 PM

#133

adios

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

I dunno.

I am guessing less than $135,000, a lot less. As far as the "evidence" is concerned the defendants have yet to testify. So did they plaintiffs actually produce any of the hate email they received ? I mean if I was sitting on a jury ( I realize that this isn't a jury trial) I'd actually want to see that evidence. It may have been presented, I don't know, but the article indicates testimony only. I think it is fair to say that the article is very light on details.

07-06-2015 , 09:00 PM

#134

adios

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Originally Posted by goofball

Not Ok is not necessarily the same as illegal.

07-06-2015 , 09:23 PM

#135

Low Key

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should be, of course

07-06-2015 , 09:26 PM

#136

TheDuker

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The decision is here. The details of the story are laid out pretty clearly in the first 20 pages ("Findings of Fact"). The award does not seem unreasonable to me. Bottom line is that the people who actually heard the main Complainant testify believed her:

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RBC was an extremely emotional witness who was in tears or close to tears during most of her testimony...The forum has credited RBC's testimony about her emotional suffering in its entirety.

07-06-2015 , 09:42 PM

#137

ikestoys

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the fact they posted the cover letter on their Facebook page when they had 17 likes on it didn't cause death threats. The couple also outed themselves on the protest page.

It's still 135k for a god damn refusal to make a cake. Try again guys.

07-06-2015 , 10:16 PM

#138

FlyWf

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Try WHAT again?

07-06-2015 , 10:24 PM

#139

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Custody of their adopted children also seemed to be in jeopardy at one point, too. So, estrangement from family members, threats, potential loss of children all because these people think their religion tells them not to bake a cake for icky gays. No big deal.

07-06-2015 , 10:30 PM

#140

ikestoys

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Did the people not making the cake cause their family's to be *******s? What a ****ing cake that must have been? You're holding the cake company responsible for things they did not do.

07-06-2015 , 10:34 PM

#141

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Shortly after LBC's complaint became public, the aunt insisted through social media that LBC drop the complaint. She also called LBC and told her she was not welcome on family property and she would shoot LBC "in the face" if LBC ever set foot on the family's property in Ireland or the United States.

Good Christian folk, right there. Religion of peace, as they say.

07-06-2015 , 10:45 PM

#142

Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Did the people not making the cake cause their family's to be *******s? What a ****ing cake that must have been? You're holding the cake company responsible for things they did not do.

Uh, they didn't just refuse service. They got their jimmies rustled when those uppity gays had the audacity to exercise their rights under the law, and so they thought they were going to make an example out of them by putting their private information out to the public, and that was a big ****ing mistake.

07-06-2015 , 10:47 PM

#143

Low Key

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It's not like they burned a cross on their lawn. What's the issue?

07-06-2015 , 10:51 PM

#144

Money2Burn

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Not to mention that they went on a number of media outlets, like CBN, to talk about how the government, through these gays, were persecuting them. Or, as you would say, they just refused to bake a cake.

07-06-2015 , 10:56 PM

#145

zikzak

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Oh ikes, how did you ever end up defending such rotten people? Of all the luck!

07-06-2015 , 11:05 PM

#146

Money2Burn

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Found this article while I was checking out this Lars Larson fellow:

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We wondered what other requests these cakemakers would decline to honor. So last week five WW reporters called these two bakeries anonymously to get price quotes for other occasions frowned upon by some Christians. Surprisingly, the people who answered the phone at each bakery were quite willing to provide baked goods for celebrations of divorces, unmarried parents, stem-cell research, non-kosher barbecues and pagan solstice parties.

We later contacted both bakeries to ask about these inconsistencies. Regentin declined to comment beyond asking whether she had been taped (she had not).

Sweet Cakes owners Melissa and Aaron Klein were upset that we “would even try to entrap a business” and contacted conservative talk-show host Lars Larson.

Really deep religious convictions, these people have.

07-06-2015 , 11:09 PM

#147

TheDuker

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Gee whiz, a couple of years ago, the same agency awarded a crybaby Christian dental assistant 350K because her boss tried to get her to go to a Scientology meeting. That's, like, almost 3 times as unreasonable as 135K. Where will it end?

07-06-2015 , 11:17 PM

#148

microbet

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Why wouldn't they make a cake for a non-kosher bbq?

Nm, I see, it's because the gay hate is supposedly all old testament.

07-06-2015 , 11:19 PM

#149

Money2Burn

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Yep, just refused to bake a cake:

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On February 1, 2013, RBC became aware that the media was aware of AK's refusal to make a wedding cake for Complainants when she received a telephone call from Lars Larson, an American conservative talk radio show host based in Portland, Oregon, who told her that he had spoken with AK and wanted to see what RBC "had to say about the pending case."

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The Agency's theory of liability is that since Respondents brought the case to the media's attention and kept it there by repeatedly appearing in public to make statements deriding Complainants, it was foreseeable that this attention would negatively impact Complainants . . .

Now, the final order goes on to state that despite the cake maker's actions described above, they only were liable for emotional harm stemming from the original denial of service because the harm continued throughout the period of media attention. The point is, though, that this wasn't simply denying a nice couple of lesbians a cake. These people are clearly bigots and tried to rally the conservative derp-o-sphere to their cause. I have little sympathy for them.