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Old 05-20-2012, 09:00 AM   #391
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In your opinion, what is left of the case?
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In your opinion, what is left of the case?
Well, assuming that Warren's friend and campaign contributor is telling the truth (which, lol), you still have Warren lying.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:05 AM   #393
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I guess Marco Rubio was also lying.
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Right, warren was just off by a few years and her claim as a white cherokee was legitimate, because she grew up in the culture and everything. So much bull**** it's unbelievable.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:09 AM   #395
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Wat? Warren told a family story, Rubio told a family story. Both are wrong. But Rubio gets away with it, even though he probably knew the story was false, because of... something but Warren is a lying.
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Rubio gets away with it because it's plausible. Warren claiming she's NA is not. The two situations would be similar if Rubio's family maybe lived in Cuba in the 1870s.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:15 AM   #397
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How is Rubio's story more plausible that Warren's?

Rubio's story is extremely easy to check while Warren's is not. So I'd say that's it's more plausible that Rubio lied about it for political gain than Warren did so she could write a recipe.
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because conservatives huddle around and support their liars and cheats, then deify them.
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Old 05-20-2012, 09:48 AM   #399
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So I don't know if I should post this in the Trayvon thread but since I hadn't read that in a few weeks I'll post it here. What do we think of this case?

Florida woman convicted of aggravated assault for firing a warning shot when she believed she was in danger

(SPOILER ALERT: SHE'S BLACK)
Totally insane IMO. The attackers own testimony shows that he intended to harm her. The judge claims that he "had no choice" because she got away to the garage. Problem is she didn't have her keys. Although I suppose she could have ran out of the garage at that point. Even if we grant that she could have escaped the sentence is insane. But hey its Angela Corey prosecuting so not surprising.
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I think it's racist to imagine scenarios in which prominent African-Americans from history are consumed by sharks.

And of course, it doesn't surprise me that you guys would side with Great Whites.
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Old 05-20-2012, 10:12 AM   #401
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The Warren derp again? No one has any evidence that she is or isn't NA, Harvard has explicitly said that race wasn't a factor in hiring her. Even if we assume the worst-case scenario, the worst we say say is that she padded her resume 15 years ago to get a job she was already eminently qualified for. It's as much a non-story as the Rubio fiasco.
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Did they ever denounce Fast and Furious, or just claim ignorance?

That's a mark in the good column for Holder tho
HUH? plz to explain. How is trying to do an end run on american gun rights by selling guns to foreign drug cartels a good thing?
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Sorry if it wasn't clear.

I meant the letter by the Justice Dept reaffirming that citizens have the right to film LEOs
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The Warren derp again? No one has any evidence that she is or isn't NA, Harvard has explicitly said that race wasn't a factor in hiring her. Even if we assume the worst-case scenario, the worst we say say is that she padded her resume 15 years ago to get a job she was already eminently qualified for. It's as much a non-story as the Rubio fiasco.
Lol if I pulled your worst case scenario I'd be blacklisted from ever getting into med school, but nbd obv.
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I'll ask this here since I don't want to troll/derail the gun owner's thread.

Why is it a violation of Libertarian principles to have the federal government override state government restrictions of some civil liberties, but it is perfectly acceptable to petition the federal judiciary to have state and local gun control laws overturned?
We have a general gun control containment thread if you want to bump it.

I guess there are a few answers to this.

First of all you are confusing neocon positions with libertarianism this is understandable to and extent because the only good parts of neocon ideology are cribbed from libertarians. Sadly they pick and choose which parts they like.

Many if not most libertarians see law as a necessary evil to reduce the influence of governments and the mores of idiots on their lives. They accept that for now the constitution does this if people actually followed it.

From a constitutional standpoint government involvement in marriage outside of contract law is questionable at best (a proper case for the supremes would likely end up with civil unions for all, church weddings if you want without legal standing).

Firearms ownership is expressly permitted by by the constitution with no restriction whatsoever. As our law stands and as long as we have states that are subject to the constitution then laws restricting firearms are preempted and invalid.

From an AC style/pure libertarian perspective states/localities have the right to do as they see fit unless it harms another through force or fraud.

Since gay marriage harms no one it would be allowed. Since firearms themselves harm no one they would be allowed. I can see an argument where gay marriage or guns would be restricted in some areas of ACland, but that would be an aberrant non-libertarian society IMO
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