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03-29-2017 , 03:57 PM
btw, most Greenwald haters here will be happy to see that his latest column is bringing fire at the GOP for passing this bill.

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That’s why, despite its devastating harm for individual privacy, there is a beneficial aspect to this episode. It illustrates – for those who haven’t yet realized it – who actually dominates Congress and owns its members: the corporate donor class.

There is literally no constituency in favor of this bill other than these telecom giants. It’d be surprising if even a single voter who cast their ballot for Trump or a GOP Congress even thought about, let alone favored, rescission of privacy-protecting rules for ISPs. So blatant is the corporate-donor servitude here that there’s no pretext even available for pretending this benefits ordinary citizens. It’s a bill written exclusively by and for a small number of corporate giants exclusively for their commercial benefit at the expense of everyone else.
03-29-2017 , 04:07 PM
Its pretty obvious why some leaders have a hard on for Putin and want to emulate his political system.

03-29-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
That's a huge assumption and is a great example of the libertarian criticism of government.

Just like how the military really doesn't know what the effect of their next drone strike will be, and cannot know, and cannot predict the resulting blowback, governments have no idea what their regulation's effect will be.

What if selling anonymous data to advertisers enables ISPs to operate at a higher profit margin (not really a big "if" there). What if that makes it so more people invest in various internet options (satellite for example) and that results in improved satellite internet options, or lowers the price of satellite internet, and creates more competition?

Think of regulations like an iceberg - you only see the little top of it, but underneath the surface there's so much that you don't (and can't) know about. You may think it costs nothing, but you have no idea.
Yes because the national telecom giants have translated their roaring profits over the past 20 years into excellent value/cost and service/cost ratios.

Clearly Comcast keeps increasing prices, throttling internet speeds, and charging for unordered products because they're just not making enough!
03-29-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Yes because the national telecom giants have translated their roaring profits over the past 20 years into excellent value/cost and service/cost ratios.

Clearly Comcast keeps increasing prices, throttling internet speeds, and charging for unordered products because they're just not making enough!
Sorry, do you want to claim the value of the internet doesn't vastly exceed the $50 a month it costs, by like millions of multiples?

Cool.
03-29-2017 , 04:37 PM
Google gave me free internet access. I can testify that the internet at zero dollars a month is a better value than at $50 a month.
03-29-2017 , 04:44 PM
I'm going to go on the record saying that Internet access is not worth $50 million a month.
03-29-2017 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Sorry, do you want to claim the value of the internet doesn't vastly exceed the $50 a month it costs, by like millions of multiples?

Cool.
You realize prices have relative value? Have you ever been outside of the USA? Just like with healthcare, America ranks terribly compared to most developed countries.
03-29-2017 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
btw, most Greenwald haters here will be happy to see that his latest column is bringing fire at the GOP for passing this bill.
Putin made him do it to throw libs off the scent imo.
03-29-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Autocratic
I'm going to go on the record saying that Internet access is not worth $50 million a month.
Of course it's very likely that Comcast has actually studied and incorporated the highest amount their customers as a whole are willing to value their internet at.
03-29-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by .Alex.
Didn't realize a libertarian needed to ask questions to understand right to privacy.
The weird thing is that even a lot of the 4chan/reddit nihilist Trump people are flipping out over this bill being bad, but Tsao is so invested in contradicting 2p2 liberals he inexplicably landed on defending the bill.
03-29-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
btw, most Greenwald haters here will be happy to see that his latest column is bringing fire at the GOP for passing this bill.
To follow up, I liked the part about the Breitbart comments. They're calling for Trump to veto this bill. LOL. Maybe one day they'll figure out that the man who lives in a literal golden tower (and enjoys figurative golden showers) doesn't have Joe Sixpack's interests in mind. But nah.
03-29-2017 , 06:19 PM
A pretty good article on AI showing both the alarmist side and the utopian side though the article definitely leans more to the alarmist side, of which i am in agreement.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/...top-ai-space-x
03-29-2017 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The weird thing is that even a lot of the 4chan/reddit nihilist Trump people are flipping out over this bill being bad, but Tsao is so invested in contradicting 2p2 liberals he inexplicably landed on defending the bill.
Oh yeah, you know you're on the right side of an argument when the Trump supporters are with you. Good point Fly, as always!

Anyways, I'm not really sure where I stand on this (not that any of you actually care about that), was mostly trying to get viewpoints. The fact that Wookie pointed out, that these internet companies really do have a lot of regional control definitely gives me pause.

Someone else asked the question of whether this would let the government collect users information without a warrant, which I think is an interesting question, too.
03-29-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by General Tsao
Sorry, do you want to claim the value of the internet doesn't vastly exceed the $50 a month it costs, by like millions of multiples?

Cool.
The US lags behind most of the developed world in broadband access and speed. Which is insane.
03-29-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese
To follow up, I liked the part about the Breitbart comments. They're calling for Trump to veto this bill. LOL. Maybe one day they'll figure out that the man who lives in a literal golden tower (and enjoys figurative golden showers) doesn't have Joe Sixpack's interests in mind. But nah.
Vetoing this bill would be an enormous popularity win for Trump I think. Not expecting it to happen of course.
03-29-2017 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by markksman
The US lags behind most of the developed world in broadband access and speed. Which is insane.
I wish when politicians bring up infrastructure, they would bring up broadband.

To be fair though, very little of the developed world has the same geographical challenges of the US.
03-29-2017 , 07:27 PM
You mean ****loads of people in rural areas?

I too am tired of subsidizing these people making bad choices in life and then expecting free handouts.
03-29-2017 , 07:31 PM
Keep eating from your backyard garden son.
03-29-2017 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Noodle Wazlib
You mean ****loads of people in rural areas?
Actually i mean the exact opposite. The sheer sprawl of the US make it difficult to have fast cheap broadband across the country. Its the same reason that public transportation is not very successful aside from a few select densely populated cities.
03-29-2017 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
The weird thing is that even a lot of the 4chan/reddit nihilist Trump people are flipping out over this bill being bad, but Tsao is so invested in contradicting 2p2 liberals he inexplicably landed on defending the bill.
For people who legitimately believe corporations should have full control, a.k.a. "libertarians" in the U.S., it's totally consistent.
03-29-2017 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Its pretty obvious why some leaders have a hard on for Putin and want to emulate his political system.

They don't. Russians been protesting all over the country against Putin.
03-29-2017 , 09:22 PM
Maddow saying a dude running a CalExit group is based in Moscow and getting help from mysterious Russians.
03-29-2017 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iron81
Maddow saying a dude running a CalExit group is based in Moscow and getting help from mysterious Russians.
Yeah, I saw part of that. Somebody based in Siberia too I think. What a ****ed up world.

I'm going to start working on a disaster-end-of-the-world screenplay based on trolling.
03-29-2017 , 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
KC is supposedly building a thriving tech scene. So we may see more and more of these alternate mini-SVs. Like you said, it just takes time. If I wanted to move back to KC now I feel like I'd probably be able to find a high-level job in my field (software architect). 10 years ago - not so much.

But you're still never going to recreate the dynamic of the SV-SF corridor. That is it's own world, with its own culture and language - all of which are terrible - focused on money and the cult of the boy-genius. The CEO of the startup I work for on the side once dropped "I shared a hot tub with Marissa Meyer" into casual conversation w/o a hint of self-awareness or irony. By the end of dinner you had to wade through all the names he dropped on the floor.

But I've come to the conclusion that you almost need to have someone plugged-in like that to get any real funding. The unicorn that comes completely out of left field from someone's garage is the public mythology - but in reality that's like .01% of startups. 99% of them just exist to sell to the bigger fool and move on. That side of SV (which is most of it) is anything but a meritocracy. You need players in the middle of it and plugged-in to get funded.

Someone once called Hollywood "high school with money". SV is high-school with money except the nerds are in charge.

/Sili-valley rant

I imagine mini-versions of that exist in the other tech hot spots. LA has aways been notorious for fleecing Hollywood execs and celebs with lol-terrible tech ideas. For all that stuff you need to be in the middle of the action.

Although... counterpoint. Our CEO is the only employee of the startup who lives anywhere near Sili-Valley. But I wouldn't call it a very serious startup. Almost everyone else has a day job. But a CEO in Sili-Valley and a dedicated team working somewhere cheaper could work in theory.

Late reply but another thing I found interesting about the article is that the trends not only look like they won't be slowing down but rather speeding up.

Just something like robo-cars would kill tons of small businesses and concentrate more $ in big NY/SF firms.

Something like gas stations or restaurants is another area where private equity and chains reign supreme. The economies of scale is just way too easy for big companies to take it over.

The type of historically protectionist/anti-trust policies prevalent in that article aren't even on the radar. And most of these trends you probably couldn't reverse if you tried.
03-29-2017 , 10:33 PM
Also, I'm not really sure what the big deal is on this data sharing thing. So they can do what FB and Google do just on a larger scale?

It isn't like they're going to say Dave C in Sacramento likes domantrix porn, market that towards him.

I saw on twitter the Cards Against Humanity guy said he is gonna buy every congressman's personal history, lol don't think so bro.

      
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