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Yeah, I agree with this. I've had a bit of not working time in my life, it's not good for you. People with initiative or who are passionate about stuff will be fine, but that's true under any imaginable system. People who need help finding meaning in their lives will be ****ed. I have no idea what the solution is.

You played video games and smoked pot when you were a childless bachelor 20 something? Had angst? Ennui? Maybe other things in life change besides getting a job?

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03-13-2017 , 09:14 AM

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This is an amazing Venn diagram.

03-13-2017 , 09:17 AM

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Chimpanzee Politics is generally my #1 book recommendation, but partly because people haven't all heard of it. Recommending reading Hamlet isn't so necessary.

03-13-2017 , 09:22 AM

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I imagine a UBI would free people the same way portable health care freed a lot of people from staying at jobs they hated simply because they needed health care. You could choose to pursue whatever you wanted to do and it wouldn't really matter that much if you failed.

Think of all the people who need a paycheck but might have an interest besides, say, used car sales. Let them earn that chemistry degree they've always wanted to get and maybe we could see some more innovation.

03-13-2017 , 09:22 AM

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"This friendly little robot will read stories to your kids, and teach you yoga."

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03-13-2017 , 10:07 AM

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Think of all the people who need a paycheck but might have an interest besides, say, used car sales. Let them earn that chemistry degree they've always wanted to get and maybe we could see some more innovation.

If all the used car salesmen learn chemistry there is going to be a lot of meth out there.

03-13-2017 , 10:40 AM

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Computational Propaganda!

www.liebertpub.com/cfp/computational-propaganda-and-political-big-data/23/

CALL FOR PAPERS
Computational Propaganda and Political Big Data

Deadline for Manuscript Submission: June 1, 2017

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Computational propaganda—the use of information technologies for political purposes—is on the rise. Many different kinds of political actors use a wide range of computational systems, social media platforms, and big data analytics to understand and manipulate public opinion. The political use of algorithms over platforms like Twitter and Facebook has received much journalistic attention, but it can be difficult to relate the dissemination of content over social networks to changes in public opinion or voter preference. The firms behind these platforms, however, increasingly acknowledge that politically motivated algorithms and automation can have deleterious outcomes for public life. How does big data get used for political purposes? Can the behavioral impact of politically-motivated big data manipulation be measured? How does the structure, function or affordances of computational propaganda vary across platforms, issue areas, or country cases?

This Big Data journal special issue on Computational Propaganda and Political Big Data, scheduled for publication in December 2017, aims to advance our understanding of how the Internet can be used to spread propaganda, engage with citizens, and influence political outcomes. We welcome submissions that utilize big data or engage with methodological, theoretical, practical, and ethical issues associated with politicized use of big data. The special issue seeks to describe and discuss:

The effects of computational propaganda, automated social actors and bots on Internet platforms, Internet users and political processes;
Measurement of the distribution and impact of fake news;
Linking, sharing, and citation structures across large numbers of voters or supporters;
The political economy of big data mining;
The political inferences that can be made by reverse engineering de-personalized data, analyzing relational data, or assembling shadow profiles on people not represented in political data;
The path from exposure to computational propaganda to behavioral change;
The use of the drones, smart city sensor networks, the Internet of Things or proprietary device networks for gathering politically valuable big data.

The editors also have a normative agenda, and seek research on the computationally creative ways of mitigating the impact of computational propaganda:

Alert systems for identifying algorithmically-based political manipulation or high levels of automation over device networks and social media platforms;
Big data driven systems for source verification or fact checking that might raise trust in computing;
Ways of detecting the origins of manipulative content on massive social network platforms.

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03-13-2017 , 11:35 AM

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Is there a thread where we talk about a Republican Congressman openly embracing the Fourteen Words?

Followup interview where he doubles down on it:

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“It’s a clear message," King said on Monday. "We need to get our birth rates up or Europe will be entirely transformed within a half century or a little more. And Geert Wilders knows that and that’s part of his campaign and part of his agenda."

King went on to criticize illegal immigration to the United States and immigrants who don’t “assimilate into the American culture.”

“Living in enclaves, refusing to assimilate into the American culture and civilization. Some embrace it, yes. But many are two and three generations living in enclaves that are pushing back now and resisting against the assimilation,” he said.

King also emphasized his view that “Western civilization” is “a superior civilization.”

"I'd like to see an America that's just so homogenous that we look a lot the same, from that perspective,” he said.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...tch-politician

Seems like a decently big deal to me.

03-13-2017 , 11:38 AM

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I think we already knew Steve King was a Nazi.

03-13-2017 , 11:43 AM

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https://twitter.com/lizzysabs/status/841284286112256001

03-13-2017 , 11:47 AM

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I think we already knew Steve King was a Nazi.

Yeah, I know he's a racist Nazi ass hole. This has been clear for a long time.

I still think that "We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies" is just a restatement of "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children," and that deserves comment, attention, ridicule, denouncement, and ostracization.

03-13-2017 , 11:54 AM

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The problem here is that conservatives have managed to tone police the discourse so thoroughly that nothing gets called "racist" unless you're directly quoting from the KKK and getting David Duke himself to like you on twitter. Republicans constantly spew gibberish about how brown people refusing to assimilate threatens our superior culture --all of that **** gets a free pass. If King had just been slightly more dogwhistley, this would just be another day at the office.

03-13-2017 , 12:17 PM

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03-13-2017 , 12:27 PM

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Give credit to the right-wing. Their tone policing has largely worked to achieve the intended goal: this is now normalized such that they can say a bunch of racist nonsense with impunity and you're the shrill one for noticing.

03-13-2017 , 01:28 PM

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Yanis Varoufakis is extremely good imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB4s5b9NL3I

03-13-2017 , 01:28 PM

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To wit, The New York Times on King:

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Representative Steve King, a Republican from Iowa who has a history of making inflammatory statements viewed by many as insensitive or outright racist, was roundly criticized on Sunday for his apparent endorsement of white nationalism.

03-13-2017 , 01:36 PM

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Can't rule out the possibility that it was all an optical illusion. That's careful journalism right there.

03-13-2017 , 01:59 PM

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Dvaut said it better than I would have, as I was just going to mention that Ezra is kind of insufferable to listen to. I have consumed countless hours listening to actual experts on the topics they discussed, so that podcast was kind of rough and put me off picking up **** Deus. Though I have not read Sapiens either but have had it recommended by a few friends, but I will add Chimpanzee Politics to the amazon cart now.

03-13-2017 , 02:22 PM

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To wit, The New York Times on King:

The argument here is that The New York Times is right-wing? Because no one's policing their tone but their editors (plus writers self-policing).

03-13-2017 , 02:24 PM

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The argument here is that The New York Times is right-wing? Because no one's policing their tone but their editors (plus writers self-policing).

I don't think you fully understood Trolly & DVaut's points; they argue conservatives have successfully enforced significant tone policing on the entirety of political discussion, not just on the right.

Being called a racist is just the worst crime someone can be subjected to, far worse than actual racist behavior.

03-13-2017 , 02:29 PM

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Is it actually a thing that people get kicked out of a caucus? And which caucus are they talking about? King is a member of these caucuses, per wiki:

Congressional Cuba Democracy Caucus
Republican Study Committee
Tea Party Caucus
Pro-Life Caucus
Congressional Cement Caucus

He doesn't have a lot to lose.

03-13-2017 , 02:41 PM

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I was cheekily suggesting that, in fact, many liberals ("liberals") enforce significant tone-policing because they basically agree with conservatives on how political discourse should be regulated. What would the tone police supposedly do to the NYT? Tweet about it?

03-13-2017 , 02:46 PM

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Bullying works. The flip side of this is how, until ~2015 and the Trumpening of the American electorate, liberals had (mostly) successfully shut racists the **** up from publicly espousing all their racist views. It certainly wasn't because racists agreed with liberals that such speech shouldn't be tolerated.

03-13-2017 , 02:58 PM

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I think I agree. Liberals have allowed themselves to be hectored and cowed into a mode of false civility where overt white supremacy is treated with kid gloves. A lot of blame falls on the shoulders of liberal journalists and editors.

03-13-2017 , 03:01 PM

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Well, they (the Times) need to not be such babies imho. I call upon 2/325Falcon to force them to love free speech. You can enforce a hate-speech prohibition without being "bullied" into adopting this phony "view from nowhere" approach that pretends to care about the existence of political debate (serving, in this case, only to obscure the actual evidence).

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