Trump's supporters might be open to giving them 3/5 of a UBI as a compromise.

Yeah cause 9-5ing your life away as a cog in the machine of Capitalism is a purposeful life and producing art or music is not.

They're taking away healthcare, housing, food benefits for the poor. It's almost like they want rioting in the streets.

This post is gold!

A 30-35 hour work week, without a substantial increase in the minimum wage, could be a huge blow to low earning hourly workers.

Sources:

http://www.vox.com/2017/3/6/14829526...op-replacement
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.3a5d17a4a0d8

And yes, I **** you not. The Op-Ed piece recently written for The Hill, "Why cutting back ‘free’ school lunches would be a favor to families" defending Republicans recent attack on free and reduced price school lunches.
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...-be-a-favor-to

This is such a profoundly illogical comment I don't even know where to begin. Why do you think UBI means people will sit around all day? Wouldn't having funds to ensure you'll have basic medical care and not starve to death actually allow you to actualize your potential as a human being?

The sad truth.

It never ceases to amaze me how much mileage they get out of trying to cut programs that are essentially rounding errors in the federal budget.

Most people have limited or no potential to actualize, and potential to do what anyway?

Giving money to the poorest in Africa has led to increased economic activity, entrepreneurship, etc. Hopelessness may be more likely to drive people to idleness than security.

The way I see it, you have several options, but you have to pick one. UBI is one way to go. A universal education + other social safety net so people have a chance to get good jobs going forward. Or you can have rioting in the streets.

I think this is absolutely true for struggling people in developing countries. For those of us in the first world, I'm a bit skeptical. I mean, there's a ****ton of retirees in this country in good health with comfortable means, and on the whole they don't seem to do much at all.

I'm not saying this because I'm opposed to some form of UBI or anything. I just think the end result is going to be a whole lot more people spending all afternoon watching Judge Judy. And I'm OK with that. But I'm really skeptical that there are countless untapped triumphs of humanity waiting to happen.

Likely just age playing a factor here. Young people are still going to compete for the attention of the opposite sex.

Some of the great early accomplishments in science were done by gentlemen of leisure who had so much money they could just spend all their time dicking around with vacuum chambers and whatnot.

I can remember learning about some experiment when I took Chem 101 back in the day. This guy decided to shoot thin sheets of gold with beams of electrons, and all I can remember thinking is wtf possessed someone who lived in the late 1800s to do such a thing?

That was the famous Rutherford gold foil experiment, which led to a new understanding of atomic structure. I don't think it helped him pick up chicks, tho.

I wouldn't pick on seniors. A lot of people of all ages don't do very interesting things. If anything seniors I think are more likely to learn a language, take a photography or creative writing class, make weird hybrid plants etc than younger people.

It's now more properly called the Geiger–Marsden experiment on the grounds that Rutherford didn't actually do it and chucked his name on it afterwards.

The impetus for the experiment was that Geiger and Rutherford were trying to make a counting device to measure alpha particle emissions that involved ionising air (an early Geiger counter). They found that a beam of alpha particles was being scattered by the air a lot more than predicted, resulting in inconsistent readings. The gold foil experiments were to try to figure out why this was so.

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I dunno about that. My pinko communist friends all like it. My libertarian friends like it. Seems like the kind of thing that everyone would get behind once people get exposure to the idea.

It's like welfare/food stamps/unemployment that everyone gets. Most people want things beyond not dying.

It is also a necessity for humanity going forward that needs political acceptance and implementation sooner rather than later. Of course it will face opposition and then cooptation by tptb.

How is UBI a popular idea amongst libertarians? Government handouts for everyone is at odds with the basic premise of libertarianism.

A lot of libertarians are not doctrinal libertarians but rather people obsessed with economic efficiency. UBI is the most economically efficient way of providing welfare.

UBI coupled with the elimination of the minimum wage is the moonshot to strive for. Eliminate as much desperation and suffering as is reasonable, stop forcing people to work in order to survive (starting with the wealthiest and most developed nations, spread as is feasible) and something closer to a 'free market' begins to take shape. Phase this in as automation becomes more prevalent and abundance emerges.

Or we could watch as Google and Facebook and Amazon continue to take over the world and we end up in an episode of Black Mirror pedaling our way toward merits so Schmidt Zuckerberg and Bezos (among others) can live in their version of Elysium.

Maybe the status quo just works itself out though!

I would say it's that ideologically it's the method of government aid which allows for the most freedom of choice by the recipient. They would rather the state give you money for school than provide a school, etc. They may prefer to take all power to differentiate between who is worthy of aid and how much from the government as well and just give an equal amount to everyone.