March LC Thread - Page 13 - Politics and Economics

No need to form my own, I'll join one created by the tens of millions of liberals who care about civil liberties - I cannot wait to meet all of you there!

Tsao's complaint is literally being mad that liberals, who he counts on to be better people than him on most issues and to go out and do the hard work he's unwilling to do, are actually just about the same as him on this particular issue.

03-08-2017 , 02:24 PM

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shpanko

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Quote:

Originally Posted by General Tsao

Of course I care - but libertarians have absolutely 0 influence or power in this country. Liberals are actually in a place to make an impact, but too bad they don't actually give a **** about civil liberties unless they can figure out a way to knock Trump down with their concern.

And chastising liberals here is going to help your desired protest how exactly? How about trying to be part of a solution instead of demonizing everyone. When there is something infringing on our liberties how about you try to spread information on the topic, organize a protest, raise awareness, instead of doing what you always do which is just tell everyone else how much they suck because they don't care enough.

Edit: As an example see what Einbert is doing on the forums to further causes that he sees as important. He links to relevant news stories, posts tweets relating to important developments. He lists information / logistics for protests on related subjects. He tells people specifically how they can contact their representative and what they should say to advocate for the various positions he's arguing for. This is a much more kind and more importantly a much more productive approach. He's going to elicit much more of a positive response here than you are with your approach of insulting everyone for not caring enough.

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03-08-2017 , 03:06 PM

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bobman0330

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

My point is that none of you actually care about civil liberties. You just use civil liberties as a tool to score political points when it benefits you.

There is a difference between knowing that the CIA has spying capabilities (not surprising) and them using them domestically (currently unproven but bad if true). Like, no one is out in the streets protesting the fact that the government knows how to wiretap calls, because we believe/hope that they are doing so within some sort of judicial process that limits rampant warrantless spying on people.

03-08-2017 , 03:35 PM

#305

Loki

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WaPo has a story tracking all the stuff trump promised he had proof of but never delivered on:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9ed413682653

Maybe we can have a similar sticky that tracks all the promises like tax releases and info about illegal voting

03-08-2017 , 04:31 PM

#306

shpanko

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Right.

Microphone in every home, something something Putin something something, nothing to see here folks.

I still don't see a thread about this topic? What gives Tsao? I thought you cared about this issue?

03-08-2017 , 04:47 PM

#307

OmgGlutten!

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wtf 30,000 members of the marine nudes facebook club?

03-08-2017 , 05:02 PM

#308

kerowo

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How many people checked into the fappening?

03-08-2017 , 05:34 PM

#309

suzzer99

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According to this there are ~500 ISIS fighters left in Mosul and it should fall soon. https://www.economist.com/news/middl...-victory-iraqi

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Mr Ahmed probably speaks for many when he recalls that in the days immediately after IS took control of Mosul, the jihadists were rather popular. The previous elected authorities had been corrupt and incompetent, and unable to deliver the basics. Electricity, he recalls, was available for just three hours a day. Under the caliphate the lights stayed on, at least until coalition air strikes began and then, shortly before losing control of east Mosul, IS blew up the city’s main power station and its water-pumping station.

03-08-2017 , 06:40 PM

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Black People More Likely to Be Wrongfully Convicted of Murder, Study Shows

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Black people convicted of murder or sexual assault are significantly more likely than their white counterparts to be later found innocent of the crimes, according to a review of nearly 2,000 exonerations nationwide over almost three decades.

Innocent blacks also had to wait disproportionately longer for their names to be cleared than innocent whites, the review, released on Tuesday by the National Registry of Exonerations, found. Blacks wrongfully convicted of murder, for example, spent an average of three more years in prison before being released than whites who were cleared.

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Racial bias may play a role. Only about 15 percent of all murders committed by black people involve white victims, yet 31 percent of blacks eventually cleared of murder convictions were initially convicted of killing white people, they found.

trumpfakecrimestatistics.png

03-08-2017 , 09:37 PM

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Trolly McTrollson

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Welp, it's been nice knowing you all.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3b51...&ICID=ref_fark

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WASHINGTON (AP) — A senior U.S. general on Wednesday accused Russia of deploying a land-based cruise missile in violation of "the spirit and intent" of a nuclear arms treaty and charged that Moscow's intention is to threaten U.S. facilities in Europe and the NATO alliance.

"We believe that the Russians have deliberately deployed it in order to pose a threat to NATO and to facilities within the NATO area of responsibility," Gen. Paul Selva, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a House Armed Services Committee hearing.

03-09-2017 , 07:07 AM

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So when my grandmother died back before i was born she left the family farm in equal shares to all 11 children as part of a trust or something. My aunt died last year and now there's been some (extremely heated) talk about selling the family farm (currently farmed by tenants). Apparently a little 400 acre farm in Iowa is worth like five million dollars. All those hick neighbor kids I played with when i was little are all like millionaires now. No wonder they can afford to spend thousands of dollars modifying their $80k trucks to roll coal.

03-09-2017 , 07:48 AM

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Money2Burn

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

This is wayyy too much nuance for someone like Tsao.

03-09-2017 , 09:04 AM

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seattlelou

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Cutting Coast Guard funding is a weird play for someone who's all about border security.

I thought the same thing. Sessions has a hard on for weed/drugs which I believe is a big part of the Coast Guards effort.

03-09-2017 , 09:05 AM

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Do beds no longer come in "comfortable" anymore?

I ask because we've tried 3 of the softest the store had in the last 8 months and they all feel super firm.

Possibly related, but new studies show obese Americans are giving up on trying to lose weight. I know the heavier you are, the more firm your mattress should be, maybe this is why I can't find a comfortable mattress anywhere.

03-09-2017 , 09:08 AM

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JayTeeMe

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I'm pretty sure the heavier you are the more soft you want your mattress.

03-09-2017 , 09:13 AM

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http://www.sleeplikethedead.com/matt...vy-people.html

03-09-2017 , 11:28 AM

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kerowo

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Try a Casper, 100 day in home trial.

03-09-2017 , 11:44 AM

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DrModern

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

Are we seriously not talking about the recent wikileak?

CIA hacking, a microphone in every home....you know, the Fourth Amendment, civil liberties, privacy, etc? Or can I go back to believing that none of you actually care about civil liberties and you're just mad about your side not winning the election...

(a) I'm on nobody's side (except Bernie's).

(b) I read the story on the subject in The Intercept. So what? We've known about this capability on the Samsung TVs for a while. The technology critic Jacob Silverman wrote about it for The Baffler back in February of 2015.

(c) Why does not coming to 2p2 to poast about the subject mean we (and don't even get me started on "you can't lump all of us together") don't "actually care about civil liberties" and/or are "just mad"?

Seriously, it's like listening to Paul Joseph Watson, i.e. some foppish dweeb whining about imagined slights and inconsistencies.

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Funny, our local "liberal" Dan thinks we should spend time clutching our pearls because our spy organization can spy instead of being concerned about the proposed health care legislation which is an unabashed tax cut for the top 1%, weird that... Too bad he doesn't have an "friends" that need health care.

This is... a really weird redirect. What do these issues have to do with each other? Have you been reading those "OMG TRUMP'S TWEETS ARE ACTUALLY A SINISTER EXERCISE IN MISDIRECTION" takes or something?

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Originally Posted by General Tsao

This is closer to a cogent point, but "libertarians" having "absolutely 0 influence or power in this country" is a dubious claim, but I suppose you're going to No True Scotsman this to where half of Gary Johnson's coalition is insufficiently pure.

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Originally Posted by shpanko

As an example see what Einbert is doing on the forums to further causes that he sees as important. He links to relevant news stories, posts tweets relating to important developments. He lists information / logistics for protests on related subjects. He tells people specifically how they can contact their representative and what they should say to advocate for the various positions he's arguing for. This is a much more kind and more importantly a much more productive approach. He's going to elicit much more of a positive response here than you are with your approach of insulting everyone for not caring enough.

Why don't you marry him, then? Who gives an eff about einbert acting like every other person in the average liberal Facebook feed?

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03-09-2017 , 12:38 PM

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kerowo

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Originally Posted by DrModern

HastenDan likes to pretend to be a liberal but doesn't go as far as to actually act like one. For instance, he criticizes liberals for not talking about the bull**** CIA leaks but doesn't have a harsh word for the new "health care" plan by the Republicans.

03-09-2017 , 12:38 PM

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Ohio getting to the bottom of our problems, launching an investigation into food stamp fraud.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/2017030...-fraud-in-ohio

Specifically targeted: you guessed it, LOTTERY WINNERS

03-09-2017 , 01:40 PM

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bobman0330

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Democrats being snarky about the lottery provisions in Trumpcare are a perfectly classic Democrats-being-political-idiots story. I can guarantee you that "Lottery winners should receive means-tested public benefits" is not a political winner. I can also guarantee you that "Maybe lottery winners shouldn't receive public benefits, but it's only a half-billion dollar issue over 10 years, so it's a waste of everyone's time to worry about it." Good government issues like this are easy for people to understand and they care about them.