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It is plausible that Putin is behind this. HRC is on record as wanting to expand NATO eastward including th Ukraine. There is no doubt that making the Ukraine a NATO member would escalate tensions greatly between Russia and the West. Unless one thinks Putin would back down and just let it happen (I don't) then a military confrontation between the West and Russia becomes a lot more likely. Russia has a decided military advantage in that region.

So all you Dem fanbois that ridicule TRUMP for his ideas on NATO that essentially would change strategic alliances your alternative is HRC who is on the record as wanting to take actions that would escalate tensions between the West and Russia. Personally I think it is all talk by HRC with no real commitment except getting more money from Ukranian oligarchs. So you are probably OK to just ignore it but maybe not.

Well she'll figure out the best way to make a buck for herself. She'll string people along, committ some US military power and get people to contribute to her "charity" org.

I am on the side of checking Russia and not rolling over for Putin while smoking cigars with him.

Literally there could not be a clearer cut case of necessary foreign policy than how we need to deal with Russia. The two sides are diametrically opposed and Trump's agenda is ignorant and horrible.

07-26-2016 , 03:50 AM

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Just mind blowing that Hillary hired DWS. Mind blowing.

Getting pretty worried about how she would govern. The Iraq vote, the email server, and this all show unbelievably poor judgment.

CPHoya spitting hot fire itt

Lol the Iraq vote

07-26-2016 , 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre

If Hillary loses in November this is one of the days her supporters should remember instead of knee-jerkingly pointing the finger at Bernie and his supporters.

ding ding ding

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Originally Posted by Regret$

Bernie says HRC is going to work to over turn Citizens United. Thats what this election is about.

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DNC Sought To Hide Shameless 'Hillary Victory Fund' Shenanigans

07-26-2016 , 12:18 PM

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Matt Taibbi on the leaks

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What's patently obvious from these emails is that there was virtually no distinction between DNC and Clinton campaign officials when it came to the handling of this media problem. They were all on the same team, working in tandem to try to talk down the likes of Vogel and Emery.

Meanwhile, the Sanders campaign is treated as an enemy.

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What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.

To anyone else, it shows that the primary season was very far from a fair fight. The Sanders camp was forced to fund all of its own operations, while the Clinton campaign could essentially use the entire Democratic Party structure as adjunct staff. The DNC not only wasn't neutral, but helped with oppo research against Sanders and media crisis management.

DNC chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign as a result of this mess, which exposed to Sanders voters the extent to which they were viewed organizationally as annoyances to be managed. The immediate question going forward for the party is whether the two camps can put aside their differences in time to defeat the more-than-a-little-scary Donald Trump.

But down the road, someone will have to address the problem of a Democratic Party structure that effectively had no internal advocates for a full 43 percent of its voters. As we've seen with the Trump episode on the other side, people don't much like having to fight against the party claiming to represent them.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...mpaign-w430814

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07-26-2016 , 07:00 PM

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How could Taibbi be so stupid to not already know that was going on, he must not follow politics very closely

07-26-2016 , 07:28 PM

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Did you even read the article?

"Most people guessed at this anyway. But it wasn't until these documents were dumped last week under mysterious circumstances that the extent to which the party both advocated for Hillary and against her opponent Bernie Sanders was made plain."

It's a dumb argument anyway. Just because you know something bad is happening doesn't make it not bad when it's confirmed.

07-26-2016 , 07:50 PM

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If these documented the extent the DNC helped Hillary, that extent is basically nothing. You're supposed to claim the the e-mails are evidence of a vast conspiracy.

07-26-2016 , 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Shuffle

Steelhouse, I'm legit worried that you suffer from multiple personality disorder. You have vacillated between "Trump for President" and "Trump will destroy America" at least ten different times this year.

Once all the earth is scorched he'll finally get his free land!

07-26-2016 , 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by markksman

How did the Russian reset button that Hilary used work out? Obviously, not very well. Can't do much worse than what she and the current admin have done (or not done) in regard to Russia.

07-26-2016 , 08:32 PM

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I mean, I was being sarcastic

07-26-2016 , 08:49 PM

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Oh yeah, funny fly disappears from thread after pulling a wil.

Back on thread tho, I was reading last night if a 3rd party gets 5% of the voting % of the election, then they get public funding for the next election. Presumably this kinda forces the news agencies to deal with them in debates etc in 2020.

Therefore, if you live in a red or blue state, vote 3rd party?

07-26-2016 , 08:54 PM

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Why the D.N.C. E-Mails Aren’t Scandalous - Jeffrey Tobin

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To review: shortly before the Democratic Convention opened in Philadelphia this week, Wikileaks released a collection of almost twenty thousand e-mails by and to staff members of the Democratic National Committee....

What was so terrible about the e-mails? In one, a D.N.C. staffer raised the possibility of Sanders being asked about his religious views, though it appears nothing came of the suggestion. In another, D.W.S. referred to a Sanders campaign official who had criticized her as a “damn liar.” A third showed her explicitly criticizing Sanders himself, saying he had “no understanding” of the Democratic Party. (This might be because Sanders has never been elected as a Democrat but, rather, always as an independent who caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate.)

Do these e-mails strike anyone as appalling and outrageous? Not me. They strike me as . . . e-mails. The idea that people might speak casually or caustically via e-mail has been portrayed as a shocking breach of civilized discourse. Imagine! People bull****ting on e-mail!

07-26-2016 , 09:06 PM

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They show the DNC using the Clinton Foundation as intermediaries for foreign officials.

07-26-2016 , 09:29 PM

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NYT: Spy Agency Concensus Grows that Russia Hacked DNC

07-26-2016 , 10:34 PM

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07-27-2016 , 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Hey that's because you're not a native English speaker, a citizen, or a Democrat. So you don't get it. I don't care.

wtf? Huh?

07-27-2016 , 04:06 PM

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Why the D.N.C. E-Mails Aren’t Scandalous - Jeffrey Tobin

It isn't even "aren't scandalous". It is more or less a complete exoneration of the DNC. Basically every scandalous imagination of bernie supporters or conservatives trying to attack the DNC is proven nonexistent.

It's like "climategate" back in the day where no matter how salty you got, it completely exonerated all of the crazed denialist conspiracy theories.

07-27-2016 , 05:08 PM

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What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.

07-28-2016 , 03:35 PM

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It's never not going to be sad/amusing to watch people with no basic understanding of politics get up in arms over how poor Bernie was jobbed or get disgusted by the part where people actually try to win elections.

Your passion is admirable, now take a couple years, make an effort to learn something beyond Populism 101 and understand that politics is a dirty game based on compromise and sacrifice.

07-28-2016 , 03:41 PM

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Tobin appears to leave out the part where DNC was pushing an anti-Bernie article to the media, albeit one that was already published and widely available, but that does show that they had some actual actions beyond just whining via email, afaik.

07-28-2016 , 04:01 PM

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Nobody seems to be too impressed with the voicemail dump. Its being described as more of the same.

07-28-2016 , 04:07 PM

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Seems like nominating the candidate who actually outpolls Trump would be a better way to actually win elections.

07-28-2016 , 04:08 PM

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You'd be wrong about that.

07-28-2016 , 04:28 PM

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They also collaborated with the Clinton campaign in funneling money back to her campaign and attempted to cover up their actions so that it wouldn't appear as if Clinton was breaking her promise. Which she was.

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