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12-06-2018 , 09:33 AM
Gas taxes to save the earth, yeah people aren't buying this ****.
12-06-2018 , 11:24 AM
Well if people dont change their lifestyle on their own that will and at some point has to happen. You will force them to change by making it more expensive. Its just inconvenient for a lot of people. No matter where you start it will make life more expensive for people unless you find some super cool new technology.
12-06-2018 , 02:31 PM
But don't expect them to peacefully say yessir when you force them to change their ways at costs they don't find small given their declining real incomes. You may have to spray them with firehouses and shoot them with rubber bullets a few times before they get the message.
12-06-2018 , 04:36 PM
So student protests escalate into violence as well.
12-06-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
By the way, Macron approval down to 18% in new poll.
he'd still get 60%+ of the vote in a 2nd round vs le pen
12-06-2018 , 04:53 PM


lmao
12-06-2018 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by andre006
Gas taxes to save the earth, yeah people aren't buying this ****.
transportation produces something like a quarter of all greenhouse gas emission. and diesel is bad. you can try to pretend otherwise but taxes should be higher on it.
12-06-2018 , 06:10 PM
i mean, it's obviously unpopular. if it wasn't it would have happened everywhere a long time ago and the problem of global warming would have been solved. but that doesn't make them any less wrong and destructive
12-06-2018 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
This doesn't seem to be a single issue protest. Macron has cut taxes for the very wealthy, and raised them on poor people and pensioners. It's a good way for his political career to come to an abrupt end.
there's an argument that he shouldn't have cut wealth taxes or whatever it was that helped the top 1%, but the rest of the story is that the top 20% have been made to pay more and the broad middle class have been made to pay less

12-06-2018 , 07:02 PM
not much really changed for the bottom 25%. there's an argument to wealth tax cut was wrong. otoh the wealth tax is france was really high (and is the reason a lot of rich people moved across the border to belgium and so on), and even after this it's still high by european standards

but all those yellow vests are in the middle 50% the got more money anyway
12-06-2018 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
transportation produces something like a quarter of all greenhouse gas emission. and diesel is bad. you can try to pretend otherwise but taxes should be higher on it.
How about EU trade agreements that disolved our industrial tissue and that make us import from across the world a bunch of things that we used to produce locally.

A Frexit would save everybody a lot of CO2
12-07-2018 , 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by andre006
How about EU trade agreements that disolved our industrial tissue and that make us import from across the world a bunch of things that we used to produce locally.

A Frexit would save everybody a lot of CO2
it seems a lot more direct (and less destructive) to just tax what you want less of instead of hoping for some 2nd or 3rd order effect of something else. and you can use the tax money for useful things like giving it to people/lowering taxes on things you want more of/spending it/just lowering the deficit.

but sure, if it helps then you can see a diesel/gas/carbon tax as a tax on trade and transporting goods over long distances. that's not wrong
12-07-2018 , 05:51 AM
Nah because of numbers.

Macron loses vs. anyone else than Le Pen though.
12-07-2018 , 07:05 AM
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Dominique Moisi, a foreign policy expert at the Paris-based Institut Montaigne and a former Macron campaign adviser, told CNN the French presidency was not only in crisis but that Europe's future also hung in the balance.
"In a few months from now there will be European elections, and France was supposed to be the carrier of hope and European progress. What happens if it's no longer? If the president is incapacitated to carry that message?" Moisi said.
"It's about the future of democracy, as well, illiberal democracies are rising all over the world. And if Macron fails, the future of France risks looking like the presidency of Italy today. And it's much more serious because we have a centralized state which plays a major role in the balance of power within Europe.
"But make no mistake, it is a French version of a much more global phenomenon."
We will all go to hell and rightfully so.
12-07-2018 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
not much really changed for the bottom 25%. there's an argument to wealth tax cut was wrong. otoh the wealth tax is france was really high (and is the reason a lot of rich people moved across the border to belgium and so on), and even after this it's still high by european standards

but all those yellow vests are in the middle 50% the got more money anyway
The whole point is that the middle 50% has no hope of living as well as it expects to, and has gotten fed up with that situation.
12-08-2018 , 07:45 AM
i don't think you have to liveblog this. the french protest something every month
12-08-2018 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
This is definitely not like every other month
reports are saying 30,000 protesters combined and about 8,000 in paris. that happens every week

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Originally Posted by Shuffle
This is ****. The protestors are against inequality including Macron scrapping the wealth tax while raising taxes on poor. Trump did the same thing, dropping social services while giving massive tax breaks to the rich.
youre both seeing what you want to see in this. obviously nobody is chanting we want trump, but they're pretty trumpy

12-08-2018 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Wow I hope that baby seen at :23-:26 in the video is ok
01-31-2019 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
If that's real then I doubt Macron's presidency will even survive the end of next week.

https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/sta...68682543996928

the most popular politician in the country. helped by everyone else also being losers though.

i still think his presidency stands or falls on whether the labour market/economic reforms actually work and unemployment falls substantially before the end of his term tbh
02-08-2019 , 06:49 PM
His economic reforms consist of smashing France and its public services and we happen to have no interest in going full liberal hellhole, he could split the waters of the red sea tomorrow and he'll still go down come spring

This chart "omits" Asselineau who is by far the most watched politician online, and very much liked. Despite doing 0,92% in 2017 wich is like 350 000 voters he had 0.0% of air time on public TV or Radio since. Etienne Chouard a philosopher who is the man behind THE reclamation of the gilets jaunes, the RIC (a referendum on any subject that would be at the request of the citizens) announced that he endorsed Asselineau for the coming euro elections.

I hope he'll muster 5% so our ****ty media is forced to give him the mic, he's flat out amazing at exposing fraudulence.

      
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