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05-06-2017 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GBV
Oh please. I have no love for the Russians but the evidence supporting their "interference" is so weak it barely exists.

Nations have intelligence services and they try and cause trouble for their enemies and sometimes their friends. This has been going on since the cold war. There's nothing especially about anything that happened in 2016.
Your first paragraph is at odds with your second paragraph.
05-06-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Oh please. I have no love for the Russians but the evidence supporting their "interference" is so weak it barely exists.


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ikileaks-rele/
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"We have 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, and they are designed to influence our election."

— Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, October 19th, 2016 in the third 2016 presidential debate

05-06-2017 , 02:33 PM
Also if you really want to understand the various aspects of Russian interference in our elections and why it is so deadly serious, this article is required reading:

Trolling for Trump: How Russia Is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy
https://warontherocks.com/2016/11/tr...our-democracy/
05-06-2017 , 02:37 PM
I especially love the thousands of twitter bots posting pro le pen stuff that still have Trump headers and haven't deleted the thousands of trump tweets.
05-06-2017 , 03:02 PM
I've had this argument IRL with Trumpeters. Trump may be one of only a handful who outright denies the entire IC's findings on Russia. Most of his supporters try to downplay the damages with statements like "LOL 'attack', riiight. Call me when the bombs start flying and there are ACTUAL dead people." They have no clue.
05-06-2017 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jfound
LOL, this french debate is a joke. Not much good is coming out of this election. Marcon is establishment first, citizens last so what good is he for the people. Le pen can not run a country so she will be a weak commander. I feel bad for the French having to choose the lesser of the 2 evils like the Americans. If i live in America or France i would abstain from voting. Democracy in these 2 country is a joke. To vote or not to vote tis the question for the french.

Also America and her allies (France+others) meddle in foreign countries leader all the time but you just don't hear it on the main stream media news. Look at Ukraine, Iraq (weapons of mass destruction yeah right, the terrorist were from Saudi Arabia but they do not invade that country with massive human right violations...OKAY), Syria, Afghanistan, Libya... the list goes on.

All you people listening to just one side need to do more research, the elites have you by the neck. Just look at the banking system its all a scam. Federal reserve, bank of England, European central bank... etc etc etc. Fiat currency is a scam.

I do not doubt it could be Russia but we need evidence and not just some rumors.
I can not say it is Russia or is not Russia because I do not see evidence.
What happen to innocent until proven guilty mentality. There is a possibility Russia did it but there is also a possibility it could be a french insider. No human knows until we have evidence so you can not just blame people out of thin air. PROOF or FERMEZ LA BOUCHE


Bless your souls
Remember kids - don't vote!

As far as the bolded:



Here's where you slink away never to be heard from again.
05-06-2017 , 05:18 PM
"WikiLeaks published hundreds of more files from the Vault 7 series today which, it claims, show how CIA can mask its hacking attacks to make it look like it came from other countries, including Russia, China, North Korea and Iran."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...e-cia-10132482

http://thehackernews.com/2017/03/cia...framework.html
05-06-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Remember kids - don't vote!

As far as the bolded:



Here's where you slink away never to be heard from again.

Do you know vault 7? Go do some research on that and tell me americas can not hack using Russia excel. I am not saying Russian is not involve but I need more evidence. Show me the money.. I mean proof.

Americans hack Iran computer, do you know that though?
05-06-2017 , 05:23 PM
lol yes its the americans that leaked macron's emails

smh

i know a dozen russian posters on 2p2 and you sound more russian than any of them
05-06-2017 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jfound
Do you know vault 7? Go do some research on that and tell me americas can not hack using Russia excel. I am not saying Russian is not involve but I need more evidence. Show me the money.. I mean proof.

Americans hack Iran computer, do you know that though?
Lol yeah dude - the Americans did this to frame the Russians. Occam's razor ftw.
05-06-2017 , 06:32 PM
Are people not realizing that the American government wants le pen to win? Kind of doesn't square your circle.
05-06-2017 , 06:39 PM
new america is part of russia tho
05-06-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Are people not realizing that the American government wants le pen to win? Kind of doesn't square your circle.
Are people not realizing that half the American government wants the other half out, and vice versa, and that they can't agree on Jack **** while this civil war is happening?

Bark up the Russian tree instead. Their government is in synch at least.
05-06-2017 , 06:53 PM
Bannon hasn't purged the CIA yet.
05-06-2017 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Your first paragraph is at odds with your second paragraph.
No it doesn't. Virtually no evidence exists of Russian involvement. This doesn't mean it didn't happen.
05-06-2017 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Are people not realizing that the American government wants le pen to win? Kind of doesn't square your circle.
Trump might. Not sure the people around him do.
05-06-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
This looks like a counter-intelligience operation to me. It's not consistent with the way the Russians leaked Clinto's emails, if that narrative is true. If someone were trying to hurt Macron and help Le Pen, then why wouldn't they release the emails sooner before the media blackout? The emails run through April 24, so they've had them for 2 weeks. In addition to that, why would you bother trying to influence an election that is a 20 point blowout and you have no chance to succeed. If you were just trying to discredit Macron, you could do that before the National Assembly elections and have more effect.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, there doesn't seem to be anything damaging in the leak. And American agencies are more than capable of leaving behind Cyrillic in the code to frame the Russians or anyone else. Someone sophisticated enough to hack the emails is probably going to do it much cleaner and not look like an amateur.
The 2nd paragraph may explain the first.

If there's nothing embarrassing enough then no point giving people time to have a good look at them.
05-06-2017 , 08:26 PM
predictwise saying macron 92%, so is this over?
05-06-2017 , 09:20 PM
I love the idea that Trump's CIA hacked Macron, enlisted the alt-right and a million Russian tweetbots to amplify the #MacronLeak, and then decided to frame Russia for it with like, 3 lines of metadata.

You guys are real smart.

Consider the alternative, though. Russia hacked Macron, didn't find anything good in there, and Le Pen was down by 20 in the polls. So they released it now to create chaos since they knew they couldn't swing the election anymore, and the media would be less likely to pretend that non-scandals were scandals just cause "wikileaks" this time around. And they knew they'd rely on their alt-right and alt-right adjacent shutins to come up with all sorts of bull**** to create that chaos.

What I'm saying is Shuffle, shut the **** up.
05-06-2017 , 09:35 PM
None of us know anything at the moment, there's no shame in admitting that.
05-06-2017 , 09:44 PM
Apparently the Macron team straight outplayed the hackers:

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Literally at the 11th hour, before the blackout would silence it, the Macron campaign issued a statement saying it had been hacked and many of the documents that were dumped on the American 4Chan site and re-posted by Wikileaks were fakes.

The mainstream French media carried the Macron campaign statement, but virtually nothing else. In addition to the normal proscription of campaign “propaganda” on election eve, the government issued a statement saying specifically that anyone disseminating the materials in this dump in France would be liable to prosecution, and calling on the media to shoulder their “responsibility” by steering clear of them.

Meanwhile, Wikileaks jumped on the document dump, but didn’t seem to be familiar with the material in it. Responding to the Macron statement that some of the items were bogus, Wikileaks tweeted, “We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us.”

Ah, but there’s the rub. As reported by The Daily Beast, part of the Macron campaign strategy against Fancy Bear was to sign on to the phishing pages and plant bogus information.

“You can flood these [phishing] addresses with multiple passwords and log-ins, true ones, false ones, so the people behind them use up a lot of time trying to figure them out,” Mounir Mahjoubi, the head of Macron’s digital team, told The Daily Beast for its earlier article on this subject.

In the end, whoever made the dump may not have known what is real and what is false, which would explain in part the odd timing. After the disruptive revelations of the DNC hacks in the United States, the public is conditioned to think that if there’s a document dump like this, it has to be incriminating. By putting it out just before the news blackout, when Macron cannot respond in detail, the dump becomes both the medium and the message.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...mpaign-hackers

05-06-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
idunno man, he gave the people cheap buses.

he tried to change plenty of things and had to abandon much of it. just calling something 'establishment' is incredibly boring and doesn't really mean anything.



god isn't real
Giving crumbs does not make you good. He should tax the ultra rich and start giving more to the poor. Wage gap is too big now, we need more taxation on the ultra rich and less on the poor.

Also calling establishment is the truth, the truth can never be boring. It might not be sexy but it is not boring.

God is real but we will have to agree to disagree on this topic since that is another discussion and this is about french politics.
05-07-2017 , 03:48 AM
A voté! Today is going to be a good day, I can feel it.
05-07-2017 , 06:27 AM
After Brexit and Trump I have a terrible feeling about today.
05-07-2017 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
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Meanwhile, Wikileaks jumped on the document dump, but didn’t seem to be familiar with the material in it. Responding to the Macron statement that some of the items were bogus, Wikileaks tweeted, “We have not yet discovered fakes in #MacronLeaks & we are very skeptical that the Macron campaign is faster than us.”
lolololol Wikileaks
1. It might be easier to spot a fake for the owners of the documents.
2. The campaign statement only said that fakes were being circulated alongside the real thing, which was immediately true to anyone who looked at the crap that the alt-right was posting on twitter.

Anyway, that whole thing fell comically flat. I think its main consequence will be to solidify the FN's image as Russian-backed enemies of democracy. And since we have a law against that sort of attempt to influence elections we have a great opportunity to fine or jail lots of racists and idiots.

      
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