Sure although my experience in the area of crowd control is lacking, I'll offer what I can.

Yell at him.

Possibly letter of reprimand.

There are alot of emotional hot-button issues in play here.

Possibly phrasing it in a way that removes most of the hot-button issues will demonstrate my point.

I don't believe a soft-hand strike delivered to a resistive suspect under arrest who is attempting to pull away from an officer and pull toward another is overkill.

The location of the blow was stupid, but not criminal.

Phrased in that straightforward unemotional way, the logic is sound.

The issue is all this "male cop hitting a ******ed woman in the head" talk clouds everyone's judgement.

What about demanding the phone and threatening the guy who wouldn't give it up?

Suspension w/o pay, possible termination depending what's in his file.

My understanding is you were with a specialized unit (K9). But it's also my understanding that most cops on the riot line are rank-and-file patrol cops, who are re-tasked for the day. They are given a few days "in-house" training a year, but other than that are just as inexperienced on holding a riot line as the general protester is confronting one. Also they are usually marshaled at shift-change, typically by having the current patrol officers work a "double" on their beat, and telling the incoming officers *surprise* go suit up in the robo-armor and get on the bus. Do I have the basics down here?

Sounds about right, I guess. We did not receive any specific crowd control training at my agency other than the basics of jail crowd control.

Come to think of it, I may have just stumbled upon the crowd control issue..

fyp

c) choke tackle

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how a pro does it

Since that was in Vegas I'm waiting for a 2p2er to one day claim to be the drunk guy in that vid.

lololol

Do you think the bus is moving or something?

NYPD officer thrown in psych ward by superiors after revealing systemic corruption

Difficult to believe. NYPD is not the military, AFAIK your boss cannot commit you to a Psych ward as a police officer anymore than your boss could commit you to a Psych ward if you were a cashier at Wendy's.

Yea, FFS the property rights of business owners against destruction of their property must be stopped IMMEDIATELY!

I'm always impressed that when the protesters are extremely upset, rowdy middle-aged women protesting teacher cutbacks, the cops manage to avoid holding them down and pepper spraying the **** out of them.

Yes, the police attempt to match the threat they're facing with an equal to slightly greater force.

You are correct on this point Vhawk.

Police underestimating the threat from middle-aged women. OC spray for everyone!

Come on now, the kids sitting crosslegged with their hands above their heads getting sprayed in the face are because people are not sympathetic to a bunch of hippie punks who hate authority, not because they are some huge risk that the NEA ladies arent.

prob not this

Obviously, but it's not as if "kids sitting crosslegged with their hands above their heads getting sprayed in the face" is official policy...anywhere. Besides that, there's not some centralized decision maker controlling how all of these local departments handle the issue, so comparing responses is not so easy.

Pretty much.

Above that, every state has their own Unlawful Assembly statutes, which require different levels of behavior to constitute the commission of the act.

Here's the SCOTUS take on Unlawful Assembly:

Link

But the primary issue is that you really can't just say "The Police" and expect to have an intellectually worthwhile debate.

I can't recall where at the moment but I remember MissileDog not too long ago reporting attending some type of rally/protest/gathering and having two vastly different experiences with two different law enforcement agencies that share the same jurisdiction.

No. Why is that relevant. How fast do you think an obsese woman can get away running through the aisle of a crowded bus?

This surprises me a little. But it might also be a urban/rural difference. Another thing I've heard is that agencies that do have in-house training days typically conflate violent riot control (ala Rodney King verdict) with suppression of an organized non-violent protest or picket. Which seems to lead quite obviously to inappropriate violence considering the general lack of threat posed. I would *imagine* control of a custody situation like a jail would be a third entirely different situation altogether.

Moving along, would you happen to know anything about the taping over off name-tags, badge numbers, and serial numbers on the robo-gear, during protest/strike/direct action suppression. This is either illegal or against agency policy everywhere in the US. And it is SOP pretty much, and a pretty good indication that a butt-kicking is coming up in the near future.

I've heard un-substantiated rumors from what I consider very reliable sources that this is often a job action by the police union, as opposed to orders from the command level police officers. Ever heard anything about this?

We're non union, but it sounds about right. My personal belief is that at least 75% of the ****ed up **** cops do and get away with comes from police unions. That's why everyone stays so angry at me around here, the reality was I really couldn't just go around routinely shooting at black people and get away with it, regardless of what their tv tells them. /rant.

I understand the desire to unionize, but I've witnessed the police union reps push far too hard before defending a scumbag who needs to be prosecuted.

My issue is, having never been involved in a police union, I have no idea how adversarial the relationship between union leaders and police commanders is.