Now I disagree. If he's telling the whole truth without leaving anything he knows is pertinent out, the cops were clearly wrong.

It was a somewhat douchy move, and were it me once I discovered he was going in the dbag direction, I would've made some snide remarks about John Wayne and Dirty Harry and left.

An hour detention is out of line, and you both know that.

Dirty Harry carried concealed.

Don't nit me NeBlis. How was IDPA tonight?

sick in bed... and its every other monday so next monday I woulda PM'd you. I do really want to go more often but timing isn't always on my side.

If it was really a full hour then yeah, that's a bit ridiculous, but as described it seems like such a simple situation to deal with quickly and painlessly. Instead, he felt the need to make a huge ordeal over nothing.

IMO, this is how it should have gone:

5-0: Sir, I see you are carrying a weapon. I'd like to talk to you about that.
Civvy: Yeah, I live right down the street. Just got back from target practice and ran to the store for a pack of smokes.
5-0: With your gun?
Civvy: Yeah, sorry if that caused any alarm. Just didn't see any point in taking it off for a quick errand.
5-0: Can I see some ID sir?
Civvy: Seriously man? For not breaking the law in my own neighborhood?
5-0: We had a couple calls about a man with a gun. I'm just making sure your neighborhood is safe.
Civvy: Yeah, ok. Here. Like I said, I live right over there.
5-0: Alright, thanks for your cooperation. Have a good one.
Civvy: You too.

I know at least half the forum would foam at the mouth over that sort of exchange. I think of it as a nice interaction in a civilized society with gun ownership. Call me crazy.

I'm not implying anything. I am stating that people who OC in accordance with the laws of their State have a Constitutional right to do so. They should not have their rights infringed to protect the sensibilities of those who are prone to "freak out" over another's peaceful conduct.

911 exists to report crimes and emergencies. If people are in the habit of calling 911 to report non-criminal, non-emergency conduct, they are abusing the 911 system and need to be educated as to what constitutes an emergency.

LE would never tolerate someone calling 911 because they are "freaked out" that McDonald's gave them cold fries. So too when someone calls to report "a man with a gun", they should educate the caller that mere possession of a firearm is not unlawful, and that unless they brandished the firearm or threatened somebody with it, there is no need to call.

If you still want to go check the call out, fine. But don't think you now have the right to treat the guy like a "suspect" simply because someone else is "uncomfortable" with his lawful conduct.
Sorry, I'm not going to agree that Americans should surrender there fundamental rights to protect the tender sensibilities of some delicate teacups. They need to get over it. The douches are the ones who think law abiding citizens should be handcuffed, detained, interrogated and worse for the lawful exercise of their right to bear arms.
This ridiculous semantic quibble does not even deserve a response.

Yea, I know...


Etc.

Hopefully I hit all points on that and we can carry on.

You missed the


"ok officer, now can I see YOUR ID? I know the neighbors get worried when they see people walking around with guns."

Aptronym, replace "openly carrying a firearm" with "furtively wandering the streets with a slim jim at 3:00 AM".

Does it make sense now?

No I didn't

This is a pretty interesting post, I took two things from it:
1) Your lt seems pretty psychologically threatened by the presence of these OCers. Not that they threaten him physically, but they take away the fact that your class is the only class allowed to carry freaking guns around openly.

2) Seems like he is the one trying to start a confrontation, or perhaps he's just trying to verbally bully these people into giving up their rights since he knows legally he can do absolutely nothing.

3)He seems bat**** insane. Really, harassing people from your PA system on your car? Is that something that a sane person would do?

A few years back Grits posed the question, "Is babysitting while white reasonable suspicion for police questioning?" after my granddaughter and I were detained and questioned at length in my neighborhood on suspicion of some nefarious deed (it was never quite clear what). In that incident, the police were pretty clear I was stopped solely because Ty, like her mother (who came to live with my wife and me when she was a child) is black, while I'm an almost stereotypical looking white Texas redneck. At the time, Grits was amazed that three squad cars were dispatched to question me for walking down the street with a child of a different race, detaining me for no good reason and scaring the bejeezus out of then-two-year old Ty.

Last night, though, Ty and I got the full jump-out-boys treatment, making our earlier interaction with Austin PD seem downright quaint. It could only have been more ridiculous if they'd actually arrested me, which for a while there didn't seem out of the question. (This is a personal tale much more than a policy analysis, so if you're only interested in the latter, don't bother to read further.) ><snip><

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.co...hite-part.html

Depressed Army reservist attacked by police force after calling for help

The military spends tens of thousands of man hours annually and no small amounts of money training its personnel to seek help for any feelings of hopelessness or depression they may experience. The Army, especially, focuses on this issue because the suicide rate among its members has hit new highs in the wake of a decade of war in two separate theaters involving multiple deployments for millions of soldiers. That concern has also spilled over into the Guard and Reserve as well, since the Army has had to tap both of those branches in order to meet its personnel obligations for Iraq and Afghanistan.

With that in mind, when one D.C.- area Army reservist reached out for help recently, he was instead surrounded by dozens of police officers who searched and allegedly vandalized his home - all without a warrant, according to his lawsuit.

A Vet With a Gun!

Matthew Corrigan, who lives alone with his dog, says in his suit that he called what he thought was a military emotional support hotline in February 2010, but which actually turned out to be the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, after feeling unusually depressed for several days.

"When he stated that he was a veteran, he was asked if he had firearms, to which he said yes. He said nothing about being suicidal or using a firearm or threatening anyone. After a short conversation, Corrigan hung up, turned off the phone, took prescribed sleeping medication, and went to bed," says the complaint.

About 4 a.m. the next morning, Corrigan awoke to a sea of police officers who had surrounded his home and were calling his name on a bullhorn. "There were floodlights outside his front and back doors and an estimated 8 police officers in the back yard and 20 in the front yard," says the complaint.

Corrigan says he then "turned on his phone and discovered that Officer Fischer of the 5th District was calling him, asking him to come out," says the complaint. He complied around 4:50 a.m., locking the door behind him, and was immediately handcuffed and placed in the back of a S.W.A.T. vehicle.

No Time for the Constitution

A police lieutenant then asked Corrigan for keys to his place, to which the Army reservist replied, "There is no way I am giving you consent to enter my place." The complaint then states that the officer, identified as one Lt. Robert Glover, allegedly replied, "I don't have time to play this constitutional bull****!" and ordered several other officers who belonged to the department's Emergency Response Team enter Corrigan's home. ><snip><

http://www.naturalnews.com/034935_Ar...#ixzz1mEwzCca2

If done correctly, who's rights are infringed? We're all in agreement what happened to will was wrong, so the only possible point you could be making is that peoples rights are infringed by other people TALKING TO THEM!!! ZOMG THE HORROR!!!!

This is crap and you should research it. Something like 86-90% of calls to 911 depending on jurisdiction are non emergency. People call 911 because they're locked in/out of their cars, they're being held hostage by the police, they're lost, they thought the cop they saw at some intersection earlier that day was cute and would like him to come **** her etc.




This has already been agreed to and no one but you is talking about handcuffing detaining and interrogating at this point. Do you believe, your majesty, that a meager peasant cop has the ability to speak to you?

It's not a semantic argument, it's a fact. You wanna act like a douche, so will I, wanna behave like a gentleman, I can do that too. I follow your lead. The job is to enforce laws when needed, through arrests and citations. My glowing disposition is just a happy side effect, but it's certainly not enforcement. If you don't like my attitude leave. JFC That's usually the whole reason I'm there anyway, is to check you out to make sure no ones in danger, and then usually move you along.

I'm going to read all of that and respond when I am less drunk. If I remember.

APD certainly has a few black marks, but overall they run a pretty damn good police department. It's not like the cowboy BS Williamson County.