Lol it's not a PSA. No one would even f*cking dream of suggesting the police should hold proper gun safety instructions for people to let them know not to shoot people as a response to a cop getting shot.

Local radio host today said the city needs to calculate every penny of welfare and govt assistance she has received over the years and take that out of the settlement.

http://gawker.com/police-chief-admit...-of-1773044442

What were you telling me about feeding trolls?

Its interesting that this thread is so full of posters that are anti-cop on everything, even when some cops make a reasonable suggestion such as we should teach firearm safety to our kids.

How can you take the arguments of such posters seriously when they have let their anti-cop emotion overtake their ability to reason?

Do not look here in this thread for a constructive conversation on how to improve police/community relations.

That's a lie. The only ones with firearms in the Tamir Rice killing for police officers.

Are the kids black?

Training includes the proper use of fake guns.

from the police union statement:
“educate the youth of Cleveland in the dangers associated with the mishandling of both real and facsimile firearms.”

Lol so the reasonable suggestion is that (black) kids shouldn't play with toys in the park?

Maybe a reasonable suggestion is stop shooting black kids who are not a threat to anyone?

The payout is because everyone knows the cops were super in the wrong. Cities don't just go around handing out multi million dollar payouts to every shooting victim.

Personally I think the solution is to disarm any cop involved in a shooting of an unarmed person (this includes toys) including his partner anyone else involved in that incident. If they refuse to patrol they get fired with no pension. They get immunity from this if they testify in court against their partner.

That will soon sort this **** out.

So you are against the 5th and the 14th amendments now too. What parts of the US constitution do you still support?

Man lmfao if you think the Cleveland police were trying to start a productive conversation in that letter. They took a parting shot at the victim's family because they're a bunch of bitter pissbabies.

I'm totally on Team Tamir, I think that statement was ludicrous, I think hornbug is also ludicrous for not realizing why the statement is, but... That's some serious Trevonning you're doing with characterizing it as a kid playing with a toy in the park. I'm sorry, but there are a dozen good reasons already why the police were totally at fault and the crime/tragedy should never have happened, why the kid should still be alive today, how they inexcusably assessed the situation incorrectly, that it seems gratuitous and counterproductive to make it seem like this was a case of a kid with a super soaker water pistol smiling and laughing.

This, basically. And even if they were sincere with trying to start a productive conversation about kids not ****ing around with replica guns, it's waaay down the list of priorities of talking about WHO should be responsible WHEN, considering their officers were so grossly incompetent and negligent in handling the situation (to say the least... one of them ****ing killed a kid).

Here's what's so insidious about that letter: It implies that a shooting like this is sometimes and usually acceptable.

Here's a way to think about it: There are a whole set of laws against the handling of replica weapons in various situations. You can't doctor a replica and point it at somebody as an april fool's joke. However, this means that at some point lawmaking bodies agreed that there was an acceptable way for law enforcement to deal with the situations that didn't involve killing people.

Talking about education in that letter implies a cop gets a free pass if he happens to suck at threat-assessment.

No, I think it implies that we are all human beings capable of mistakes and that educating cops, educating kids, educating adults in many different things including using fake guns as just one small component will help significantly reduce the mistakes that we human beings make.

Was he not a kid in a park with a toy? Any particular part of that you want to disagree with?

Was he not smiling enough for your liking?

Neither apply to what I said.

I agree, Tamir Rice's mother should put out billboards educating the populus saying that it's sometimes acceptable to shoot people who are armed.

Personally I think she could do best if she joined the Pork Board and put out billboards with a roasted pig with the Pork Board's slogan #Be Inspired. She could get that sweet Big Pork money that way.

leave it to phill to take a slam dunk story like this and come up with the most weird ass response possible

My rationalization:

Insulting trolls and idiots = fine

Treating them like they have opinions worth debating = not

FBI has acknowledged that its crime lab was engaged in systematic misconduct on an almost unimaginable scale: 95% of forensic testimony about hair analysis was flawed in favor of the prosecution.

I mean, holy ****! DoJ has identified 2500 cases affected, and I think it's fair to assume that state forensic labs were probably not bastions of integrity compared to the FBI. It's a pipe dream, but it would be really nice to see some people sent to prison over this.

A refugee when asked what he thought about the police seizing the charity money he was carrying through civil forfeiture

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...and/?tid=sm_tw

Oh its no big deal. I mean it's just one specific kind of analysis it not like there's any reason to think similar things would be going on in other areas of federal criminal prosecution. And i mean most of those people were probably guilty anyway. And....ummm...some other things?

That's ****ing disgusting and linked in the article is that at least 14 of the people convicted in involved cases have died or been executed in prison

Also it seems to be sort of a well kept secret that "forensics science" is in no way a science and there is very little support for nearly all of the common practices currently used. Mostly it's just anecdotal and rule of thumb kind of stuff that gets dressed up and given undue legitimacy because "the government is saying it."