Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Law and Order 2 Law and Order 2

01-23-2015 , 09:27 PM
Quote:
The “disciplinary actions” taken by guards had no bearing on the death.
So he died of...nothing, just spontaneously died. Absolute coincidence that he died while he was in what amounted to a gas chamber. Gotta love it.
01-24-2015 , 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies
I'm actually interested in this, is there anything that isn't lolyoureaddailykos?

I mean this:

Quote:
Witnesses would later say that after two hours, at temperatures of 180 degrees, Rainey collapsed, with his skin peeling from his body.
How did they know it was 180 degrees? I don't think that's hot enough to literally peel skin away from skin either, but that's just a guess.

Also is that 346 number include people who died in prison from incidents having nothing to do with guards?

Just a bleh article that's hard to take seriously.
01-24-2015 , 03:00 PM
I'm not familiar with dailykos, what are some examples of terrible journalism on its part?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
How did they know it was 180 degrees?
The hot water has a max temperature set by the heater, so I guess their max was set at 180. If the guards cranked the water all the way to the hot end, it would reach the max temp given enough time.

What he went through (if true) might be one of the worst forms of torture possible. Those guards must seriously be sick ****s, sicker than any of the actual prisoners. In a society with any semblance of justice, they would be thrown behind bars immediately. I imagine torture carries a long sentence (not to mention when combined with murder).

Last edited by heehaww; 01-24-2015 at 03:06 PM.
01-24-2015 , 03:03 PM
There are plenty of links in that article that are independent sources. What precisely could you not find more information about?
01-24-2015 , 03:06 PM
Miami Herald did an investigation which is the basis of the article.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/spec...le4457578.html

Last edited by ALLTheCookies; 01-24-2015 at 03:19 PM.
01-24-2015 , 03:19 PM
And as far as
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
I don't think that's hot enough to literally peel skin away from skin
I don't know but I remember the photos in the HBO documentary "Hot Coffee". The lady's coffee was at most 200 F (probably a good amount less by the time she went to the parking lot), and the skin on her leg was completely off the flesh (plus the spill was a little protected by her pants). So it's not hard for me to believe that 180 causes peeling. Our nerves also give reason to believe that (180 water would feel unbelievably hot).

Hm, some googling tells me that significantly lower temps can cause 3rd degree burns. I wonder if after a period of time, Rainey no longer felt pain. I was under the impression that 3rd degree burns kill the nerves.
01-24-2015 , 11:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heehaww
I'm not familiar with dailykos, what are some examples of terrible journalism on its part?
They aren't journalists ftmp. It's a bunch of people's who post liberal stuff.
Quote:
The hot water has a max temperature set by the heater, so I guess their max was set at 180. If the guards cranked the water all the way to the hot end, it would reach the max temp given enough time.
and they know this how? btw, recommended temp is 120 for a household. No idea how it would change for a prison, but 180 is super god damn high. It's hotter than what I make coffee at.

It seems like the basics facts happened, but there's some exaggeration going on.
01-25-2015 , 01:17 AM
It's likely that a large hot water boiler is used in a facility like that. It would produce hot water at near boiling temperature and then mixed with cold before it got to taps etc. But there would be taps for cleaning that got the water at full temperature.
01-25-2015 , 05:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I wonder why the cop approached the car from the passenger side.
vvv

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
Anyone notice the cop called the guy by name?

Reid apparently had a history



And the cop may have been fully aware of it

This is bizarre. At first I thought it was England as I've never seen that approach before.

So the officer Days approached the passenger side to keep on eye on Reid, but then doesn't acknowledge that he even knows Reid, and talks to the driver from the passenger window, until everything goes sideways...

This is totally bizarre.
01-25-2015 , 06:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
I'm actually interested in this, is there anything that isn't lolyoureaddailykos?
Dealer's choice:

https://www.google.com/search?q=darr...utf-8&oe=utf-8

Quote:
I mean this:



How did they know it was 180 degrees? I don't think that's hot enough to literally peel skin away from skin either, but that's just a guess.
It prob wasn't even hot, Rainey was just a witch and lukewarm tap water woulda done the same.

Quote:

Also is that 346 number include people who died in prison from incidents having nothing to do with guards?`
All deaths, which is the liberal bias you're looking for.

Quote:

Just a bleh article that's hard to take seriously.
Well obv, the victims are barely human if at all. I mean, just look at how they're just melting left and right. Real humans don't melt.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
They aren't journalists ftmp. It's a bunch of people's who post liberal stuff.
Liberals are always going on and on with their "people melting" this and their "ice caps melting" that; I'm pretty sure the whole concept of melting is a liberal hoax. I'm a real american and I've been using the same ice cubes for my scotch since 1968.

and they know this how? btw, recommended temp is 120 for a household. No idea how it would change for a prison, but 180 is super god damn high. It's hotter than what I make coffee at.

It seems like the basics facts happened, but there's some exaggeration going on.[/QUOTE]

http://cdn5.triplepundit.com/wp-cont...ngblinders.jpg
01-25-2015 , 12:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 5ive
and they know this how? btw, recommended temp is 120 for a household. No idea how it would change for a prison, but 180 is super god damn high. It's hotter than what I make coffee at.
At 120 you're gonna get grody stufff growing in your tank, including legionaires disease.
01-25-2015 , 12:12 PM
but yeah, 180 is insanely high. If you have your tank set to 150 or higher, anti-scalding devices are recommended for taps, especially if you have little kids.
01-25-2015 , 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pvn
At 120 you're gonna get grody stufff growing in your tank, including legionaires disease.
Ugh the second part was still the quote by ikes, should've looked like this:

Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
They aren't journalists ftmp. It's a bunch of people's who post liberal stuff.
Liberals are always going on and on with their "people melting" this and their "ice caps melting" that; I'm pretty sure the whole concept of melting is a liberal hoax. I'm a real american and I've been using the same ice cubes for my scotch since 1968.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys

and they know this how? btw, recommended temp is 120 for a household. No idea how it would change for a prison, but 180 is super god damn high. It's hotter than what I make coffee at.

It seems like the basics facts happened, but there's some exaggeration going on.

Last edited by 5ive; 01-25-2015 at 09:43 PM.
01-25-2015 , 11:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pvn
At 120 you're gonna get grody stufff growing in your tank, including legionaires disease.
Errr maybe but multiple things online have that as a rec for a household. Larger sources are different... legionnaires doesn't just come from nowhere from small sources very often.
01-26-2015 , 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikestoys
No idea how it would change for a prison, but 180 is super god damn high. It's hotter than what I make coffee at.
That's pretty low for coffee. Best extraction occurs between 195 and 205f, fwiw.
01-27-2015 , 08:09 AM
Don't you dare film us when we shoot unarmed teenagers!

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_27...y-injuring-one

Quote:
Denver police shot and killed a teenage girl early Monday who they say drove a stolen car at two officers in a dark alley, hitting one of them in the leg.

It was the third time in seven months that Denver police have shot suspects whom they accused of using cars as weapons.
Quote:
"My mom told me to start filming, but when I took out my phone, the cop was like, 'Don't you dare!' " she said.
Quote:
A neighbor captured a video of the female suspect being searched by police after she was shot. In the video, the teen is handcuffed and rolled on her stomach and back on the ground, appearing to be searched.

The girl is limp, silent and motionless as officers move her about.
Some more info:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/d...r-car-28498963
Quote:
Diaz said she came outside to see officers with their guns drawn pulling people out of the car, including Jessica.

"She seemed like she was not responding, not moving," she said. "They just yanked her out and handcuffed her."
An unarmed 16-year old girl who has just been shot is obviously such a huge threat that she needs to be handcuffed.

Such a disgusting disregard for human life by the people who are meant to protect us.

Last edited by Andro; 01-27-2015 at 08:20 AM.
01-27-2015 , 08:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andro


An unarmed 16-year old girl who has just been shot is obviously such a huge threat that she needs to be handcuffed.

Such a disgusting disregard for human life by the people who are meant to protect us.
Did you consider that she might pull a Michael Brown and go for the cop's weapon? She already made one attempt on two cops' lives. Handcuffing her may have saved her life or someone elses and that makes it a prudent thing to do.

General rule: handcuff anyone who has just attempted to kill or seriously injure someone, even if at the moment they appear to be cooperating.
01-27-2015 , 09:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abseeker
Did you consider that she might pull a Michael Brown and go for the cop's weapon? She already made one attempt on two cops' lives. Handcuffing her may have saved her life or someone elses and that makes it a prudent thing to do.
"Pull a Michael Brown"? Ugh.

Quote:

General rule: handcuff anyone who has just attempted to kill or seriously injure someone, even if at the moment they appear to be cooperating.
She "appeared to be cooperating" because she was dead.
01-27-2015 , 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abseeker
Did you consider that she might pull a Michael Brown and go for the cop's weapon? She already made one attempt on two cops' lives. Handcuffing her may have saved her life or someone elses and that makes it a prudent thing to do.



General rule: handcuff anyone who has just attempted to kill or seriously injure someone, even if at the moment they appear to be cooperating.

"Allegedly"
01-27-2015 , 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
"Allegedly"
You see the cops are not judge and jury. Their job is to make the situation on the street return to a safe situation and bring the "alleged" criminals in. The court system determines guilt. Please don't ask the cops to be judges and stand around not doing anything until they pass judgment - it ain't their job.
01-27-2015 , 10:07 AM
We're not asking them to be judges. We're asking them that when a 16-year old girl is shot and not moving/breathing, they should give her medical assistance(as well as they can) instead of cuffing her and searching her body.

Sadly it seems like it's the norm for cops to just let people bleed to death and not do any kind of first aid until an ambulance shows up.
01-27-2015 , 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abseeker
Did you consider that she might pull a Michael Brown and go for the cop's weapon?
Was she black? If not, she wouldn't have the demonic power to resurrect herself, hulk up to 10x her size and start charging into a hail of bullets. But if she was black then carry on. Black people are dangerous even when dead. What's your opinion on burying them instead of cremating? If they're buried, what's to stop them from hulking up out of their graves to commit more crimes?
01-27-2015 , 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heehaww
Was she black? If not, she wouldn't have the demonic power to resurrect herself, hulk up to 10x her size and start charging into a hail of bullets. But if she was black then carry on. Black people are dangerous even when dead. What's your opinion on burying them instead of cremating? If they're buried, what's to stop them from hulking up out of their graves to commit more crimes?
whoa, did I stumble into the superheroes/supervillains forum?

I thought Michael Brown was just a guy who made a few bad decisions one day that cost him his life, just as this girl made a few bad decisions that cost her life.

Life is fragile and when you endanger other people's lives sometimes they respond in a way that ends your life.
01-27-2015 , 12:07 PM
Quote:
I thought Michael Brown was just a guy who made a few bad decisions one day that cost him his life
And why do you still think that? Because you believe the officer's story that MB literally was a demon? And the crazy racist witness who we now know made up the whole thing, and the corrupt "prosecutor" who used her testimony anyway when even he knew it was all a lie?

IIRC you were one of the people being racist as hell in that thread. Maybe not as bad as midas but there were so many of you I lost track and you all kind of just blurred together in my mind. Racist tards all look the same to me.
01-27-2015 , 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by heehaww
And why do you still think that? Because you believe the officer's story that MB literally was a demon? And the crazy racist witness who we now know made up the whole thing, and the corrupt "prosecutor" who used her testimony anyway when even he knew it was all a lie?

IIRC you were one of the people being racist as hell in that thread. Maybe not as bad as midas but there were so many of you I lost track and you all kind of just blurred together in my mind. Racist tards all look the same to me.
Wasn't there more than one witness testimony ffs? Even Holder won't file civil rights charges....

      
m