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07-18-2015 , 01:04 PM

#201

Louis Cyphre

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Originally Posted by schu_22

Adios, are you familiar with this thing called reality?

It's great to visit but he wouldn't want to live there.

07-18-2015 , 02:55 PM

#202

dinopoker

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Originally Posted by problemeliminator

Why don't you ask the CIA?

Wise advice. They can find nukes anywhere, even places where they don't exist.

07-18-2015 , 10:52 PM

#203

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Originally Posted by dinopoker

Wise advice. They can find nukes anywhere, even places where they don't exist.

Indeed, which makes the fact that they haven't found any reason to believe Iran is trying to build a nuke all the more compelling.

07-19-2015 , 08:37 PM

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Seems bad....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/middle...ions-khamenei/

Wasting no time.

07-19-2015 , 09:25 PM

#205

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Seems bad....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/middle...ions-khamenei/

Wasting no time.

What did you expect? The U.S. hasn't said that it's going to change it's approach to Iran either, call it a wash.

07-19-2015 , 09:26 PM

#206

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Seems bad....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/middle...ions-khamenei/

Wasting no time.

They hate us cause they ain't us.

07-25-2015 , 06:00 PM

#207

Huehuecoyotl

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Look like Iran is going neo liberal and is being pretty forthcoming with info they previously weren't very open about

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article...50724?irpc=932

07-25-2015 , 07:36 PM

#208

Howard Beale

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Seems like a positive development. A cynic might point out that nobody wants to bomb what they've paid hundreds of billions for, though.

07-26-2015 , 02:49 PM

#209

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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

What did you expect? The U.S. hasn't said that it's going to change it's approach to Iran either, call it a wash.

Yeah this except for lifting the sanctions and releasing a boat load of monetary assets USA hasn't changed their approach at all.

07-26-2015 , 02:53 PM

#210

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Adios, are you familiar with this thing called reality?

North Korea agreement really was a disaster, apparently your grasp of reality is a little shaky. Pro tip, laying off the sauce is almost always a positive development.

07-26-2015 , 08:15 PM

#211

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North Korea cheated on the deal and we found out. It's not like the deal let them get nuclear weapons--that happened years after the deal officially fell apart.

07-26-2015 , 08:54 PM

#212

Howard Beale

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Originally Posted by adios

Yeah this except for lifting the sanctions and releasing a boat load of monetary assets USA hasn't changed their approach at all.

In any deal the sides have to make accommodations. Iran says it will give up 'X' in return for 'Y.' And then they say they aren't changing their basic position re the U.S. the U.S. says the same. This is all standard and to be expected. The question, of course, is whether or not both sides will comply and we in the U.S. naturally presume that we will and are distrustful, yet hopeful, that Iran will as well. If you don't like the deal that's fine, just say so.

07-27-2015 , 03:48 PM

#213

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Huckabee: the deal is "marching Israelis to the door of the oven." Quite literally the hottest take on the subject yet. The only one who might be able to top that is Trump.

07-27-2015 , 04:38 PM

#214

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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days

Seems bad....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/middle...ions-khamenei/

Wasting no time.

Seems good given a public declaration they will deal on the nuclear programme and see it as to their own benefit. What would you expect beyond this? Disneyworld Tehran?

07-27-2015 , 04:42 PM

#215

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Yeah this except for lifting the sanctions and releasing a boat load of monetary assets USA hasn't changed their approach at all.

Right, several countries including America negotiated a deal. The best deal possible that has extended the timeline of Iran getting a nuke from as little as six months (according to Israel) to over a decade (according to Israel) and will likely be the first step to them never getting a nuclear deterrent.

Do you not understand how negotiations and deals work?

07-27-2015 , 04:44 PM

#216

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By all means right wing people. Make the argument that Iran should get nuclear weapons asap to deter you from attacking them instead of making a deal to stop them needing nuclear weapons and making it unlikely they ever will get any. What could possibly go wrong?

07-31-2015 , 10:57 PM

#217

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Nobody's complaining about secret "side deals"?

08-01-2015 , 02:14 PM

#218

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I'm not sure this is particularly different, aren't all hearings just idiotic posturing instead of fruitful discussion?

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Republicans think it’s weak and softheaded to care what Iran thinks. At the Tuesday hearing, Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania told Kerry we should demand a better deal, “and if the ayatollah doesn’t like it and doesn’t want to negotiate it, oh, ‘boo-hoo.’ We’re here for America.” Weber, speaking for others in his party, ridiculed Kerry’s concerns about Iranian distrust of the U.S.: “Me and my colleagues were up here thinking, ‘Who cares?’ ” When Kerry replied that the Iranians wouldn’t have negotiated on Weber’s terms, the congressman scoffed, “Oh, my heart pains for them.” These lawmakers don’t seem to understand that much of a negotiator’s job consists of understanding, caring about, and accommodating the other side’s concerns.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...t_moniz.2.html

08-01-2015 , 02:24 PM

#219

Double Eagle

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Weber angling for SoS in the Trump administration.

08-01-2015 , 03:53 PM

#220

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It's probably a good sign for the quality of the deal that Republicans are going hard against the very idea of negotiation.

08-01-2015 , 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I'm not sure this is particularly different, aren't all hearings just idiotic posturing instead of fruitful discussion?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...t_moniz.2.html

I hope they're just posturing and dont actually think it's possible to negotiate without empathizing with your opponent's position.