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Old 06-04-2017, 09:37 AM   #176
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Re: Juno is a top notch neutrino observatory (LC Thread)

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No one's arguing Clinton should do a comedy tour now that her political career is over. There were two candidates in this race; it wasn't simply a referendum on Hillary's likability versus a blank slate opponent. Measurements of public opinion (flawed though they might be) proved time and again HRC was viewed as more likable and more favorably than Trump. You can say well that doesn't count but apparently what does is this tweet and a David Lee Roth video. »\_(ツ)_/»

I can't argue with an unfalsifiable belief so you win I guess. Trying to disabuse people of things they desperately want to believe without evidence is your pastime, not mine.
The David Lee Roth video wasn't part of the argument. It was a pop culture aside for a very narrow age range of people who can not hear or read the word 'charisma' without immediately thinking of it.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:37 AM   #177
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Holy ****, lucky you!

I think they still sound great! Most of my favorite Nick Cave stuff is the later Bad Seeds records though.


Mine too.

Brag: as a mid teen I saw Led Zep in 1979 and The Clash the following year (and a shed load of lesser bands).
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:49 AM   #178
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Re: Juno is a top notch neutrino observatory (LC Thread)

Just watched Life - which I would call a cross between Alien and Gravity. Ok I guess. But one thing really bugged me (don't read comments below if you don't want spoilers).

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I'm watching Alien now - my all time favorite movis. So sublime.

Note to self: if on alien planet and thing seems to react to something you're doing - run. Immediately.

Where does the John Hurt chest-burst scene rate in all time movie scenes? These are just completely off the top of my head, forgetting a ton I'm sure. And I'm kinda drunk.
  1. Boogie Nights - Firecracker scene
  2. Full Metal Jacket - I am in a world of ****
  3. Alien - Alien chest burst
  4. Blues Brothers - chase
  5. Goodfellas - made man beat down - way down across the ocean
  6. Close Encounters - Anh Enh Anh Unh Anh scene
  7. Alens - initial attack scene where they're all dying on the screens
  8. Fast Times at Ridgemont High - Phoebe Cates/Judge Reinholdt
  9. Terminator - final chase scene
  10. Magnolia (which I hate otherwise) - respect the cock
  11. Pulp Fiction - Christopher Walken/Bruce Willis watch
  12. Old School - Bed Bath & Beyond/we're going streaking
  13. War Games - want to play a game (in NORAD)
  14. Swingers - answering machine
  15. Full Metal Jacket - killing the sniper at the end
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:50 AM   #179
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The David Lee Roth video wasn't part of the argument. It was a pop culture aside for a very narrow age range of people who can not hear or read the word 'charisma' without immediately thinking of it.
Charasma!
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:50 AM   #180
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Alien is absolutely perfect imo. Such a great film.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:52 AM   #181
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pfft, figures. Doesn't get the respect it deserves.



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Old 06-04-2017, 09:56 AM   #182
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Rural gets pretty Trumpy here in New England too. The idealized non-Trumpy small town is a pretty rare thing ime, and is usually dominated by people who moved there from somewhere else.
Yup, it's called Anywheresville, VT.
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Old 06-04-2017, 09:57 AM   #183
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Rob Bottin the special fx guy did this scene as well.


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Old 06-04-2017, 10:01 AM   #184
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Alien is absolutely perfect imo. Such a great film.
I've always said it's the most perfect movie ever made.

I saw Alien in the Midland Theater in KC when I was 11. It was a gigantic old opera house that had been converted into a move theater - really cool, and the first theater with Dolby surround-sound in KC. I still remember the egg scene - looking over at my Mom and she was curled up into a ball in her seat, just peeking through her fingers. I was like - why is my mom so scared? he's just peering over into that egg thing that just opened up. Nothing beats the power of movies.

And I LOVE The Thing. I'd put the scene where they're giving CPR and the dude's chest opens up and eats the guy's hands up there. I was actually thinking about that during Life when they did CPR.

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Old 06-04-2017, 10:04 AM   #185
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I've spent a bunch of time there. Cool place. Reminds me of the Berkshires or Vermont or the Pacific Northwest which is generally rural or lightly populated but retains a generally liberal / leftist political culture.

My guesses:

1. a bunch of Nordic immigrants retaining the political sensibilities of the Nordic region as opposed to much of Appalachia or the OH/PA/WV corridor which is a lot of Scotch Irish immigrants
2. deep religious influence of the social gospel culture without the competing influence of fundamentalist racist religious types
3. inheritance of farm labor / Progressive values from the early 20th century but WITHOUT a lot of industrial towns populated by white flight types; again an artifact of political geography -- the hills and carved up terrain meant that turning into a center of manufacturing didn't make sense. It's West Virginia without the coal mines. The result is this area *didn't* receive an influx of white labor in the middle of the 20th century.

Just some guesses but it's how I'd explain the curiosity.
Driftless area is about 50% Catholic which is a pretty high percentage. But I think it's the pretty hills and forests and whitewater rivers that attract people who like hiking and cycling and canoeing and just generally being outdoors. The republicans have tied their wagon to pollution being acceptable and that seems to not bother people from the flat, ugly parts of the midwest very much. I'm not sure if the area has turned red or if people just really wanted to build a wall. I suspect the latter.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:08 AM   #186
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I've always said it's the most perfect movie ever made.

I saw Alien in the Midland Theater in KC when I was 11. It was a gigantic old opera house that had been converted into a move theater - really cool, and the first theater with Dolby surround-sound in KC. I still remember the egg scene - looking over at my Mom and she was curled up into a ball in her seat, just peeking through her fingers. I was like - why is my mom so scared? he's just peering over into that egg thing that just opened up. Nothing beats the power of movies.

And I LOVE The Thing. I'd put the scene where they're giving CPR and the dude's chest opens up and eats the guy's hands up there. I was actually thinking about that during life.

I put music above movies, but great movies like Alien and The Thing are true gems in life.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:11 AM   #187
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It seems weird that for eg Bush and Trump, 'charisma' as a quality can navigate the electoral college. I mean, if you told me this charismatic theory, I'd predict sight unseen that it would hold true for the popular vote. How can the more charismatic candidate win because of their charisma, but get fewer votes?


Suzzer's theory checks out in my brain. Trump is decently charismatic--i remember enjoying the hell out of his press conferences when he was threatening to rid us of ikes. And Hilary is exceptionally uncharismatic for a politician that rose to such heights.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:27 AM   #188
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Pre-election, before Trump was even a political figure - imaging HRC having a show like the Apprentice - with a catchphrase like "you're fired". I cringe even thinking what she'd come up with.

Or before that when "The Donald" nickname came into being - that doesn't happen w/o a certain charisma that HRC does not have in any way, shape or form.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:30 AM   #189
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Semi-grunch the charisma thing.

HRC is reportedly fairly warm, charming, funny in small groups. Too bad she couldn't pull that off with crowds.

I talked to someone yesterday who had meet Bill Clinton and, unsurprisingly, the description was off the charts charisma.
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Every account I've ever heard says Hitler's charisma was off the charts. And he seemed to do all right for himself in the winning over the masses category.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:31 AM   #191
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Semi-grunch the charisma thing.

HRC is reportedly fairly warm, charming, funny in small groups. Too bad she couldn't pull that off with crowds.

I talked to someone yesterday who had meet Bill Clinton and, unsurprisingly, the description was off the charts charisma.
Lol we literally posted "off the charts charisma" at the same time.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:33 AM   #192
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FDR most likely wins post-1900 charisma (pretty hard to judge earlier w/o video and audio).

IIRC he did ok for himself.

Seems like Lincoln wasn't exactly a cold fish.

It makes sense in the long run. You want to back a horse that you think is going to win. Humans get together and agree on the characteristics that they admire in a tribe leader, people respond to those characteristics and rally around that person.

Evolution turns it into a self-fulfilling prophecy, like looks. You want your offspring to not only survive and be healthy, but procreate. So you want them to look like the kind of individuals that other individuals would procreate with, etc.

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Old 06-04-2017, 10:40 AM   #193
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Ted Bundy had incredible charisma as well. Clearly those with lots of charisma often use it to exploit others.


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Old 06-04-2017, 10:52 AM   #194
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You just contradicted yourself. it's arguable that no one in modern US history has exploited more people than Donald Trump.
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:03 AM   #195
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Nyet comrade. Like ya said, charrrrisma not cause of Clinton loss. She had other prrrroblems.
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:08 AM   #196
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Just watched the chest-burst scene. It's back up to #1. Every frame is pitch-perfect.

I love how the baby alien looks around at each one of them like - you're all next. For years in the early 80s - my buddies and I entertained ourselves by shoving our fists under our shirts and pretending there was an alien bursting through, we also mimicked the "AINGH AINGH" from the baby alien before it scuttled off.

My mom and stepdad had seen the previews and heard about the egg scene and chest burst scene. But as a kid I had no idea any of that stuff was coming. Nor did I realize the movie wasn't over when Ripley got into the shuttle and blew up the Nostromo. That stuff only happens when you're young before you pay attention to trailers and realize movie formulas.

I took my girlfriend's daughter to see Slumdog Millionaire when she was 15. I think that movie had a similar profound effect on her.

There's something about movies that hit you in that sweet spot. I'm sure people who saw The Graduate, Casablanca or Citizen Kane in their sweet spot had a similar experience. By the time I saw those movies they didn't do a whole lot for me.

However I know plenty of people who weren't even born when Alien came out who still think it's a great movie. I wasn't born when Night of the Living Dead came out, but man that movie got me good. Movies that transcend their time period seem to be the exception though.

I should probably go to bed.
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:44 AM   #197
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Forgot about Ashe is a goddamn robot scene. Incredible.
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Old 06-04-2017, 12:02 PM   #198
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I wasn't born when Alien came out, but it for sure makes my Top 5. Right from that opening shot with the helmet, you know you're in for a great movie.
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Driftless area is about 50% Catholic which is a pretty high percentage. But I think it's the pretty hills and forests and whitewater rivers that attract people who like hiking and cycling and canoeing and just generally being outdoors. The republicans have tied their wagon to pollution being acceptable and that seems to not bother people from the flat, ugly parts of the midwest very much. I'm not sure if the area has turned red or if people just really wanted to build a wall. I suspect the latter.
Why on earth would people in Minnesota be gung ho for a border wall? The people who live on the border don't want it ffs.
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Forgot about Ashe is a goddamn robot scene. Incredible.
Your list needs more Kubrik then just Full Metal Jacket, imo. "Open the pod bay doors, Hal," and ofc the opening jump cut when the ape throws a bone in the air which becomes the space station in 2001 deserve at least an honorable mention.
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