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I wouldn't have guessed this of you. I'm sure you're well aware of the hyper-regressive nature of consumption taxes, why do you support that over more progressive schemes like income taxes?

You can have a progressive consumption tax, as long as its not a sales tax. You would need people to file tax returns like they do now, you would just tax them on consumption (income minus change in savings) rather than income. If you measure progressivity on the basis of income, it's still not very regressive, but there's no good reason to be obsessed with income-progressivity.

06-21-2017 , 09:23 AM

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But it's a dry heat.

-DT

06-21-2017 , 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

But it's a dry heat.

-DT

Heat in Arizona projected to get a lot less dry in coming years. On the upside, that will serve as a disincentive for immigration, so let's call it a push.

06-21-2017 , 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

I think it would be a huge plus if you did not have to file at all, but if you did file you could get a refund for the taxes on your first $30,000 or so of consumption. Or the government could just give everyone $6,000 a year or so to cover that tax and you still don't have to file.

06-21-2017 , 12:06 PM

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How much longer before Arizona becomes effectively uninhabitable? I bet there will be significant population drops in parts of the southwest in my lifetime.

06-21-2017 , 12:16 PM

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How much longer before Arizona becomes effectively uninhabitable?

The 1960s?

06-21-2017 , 12:48 PM

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How much longer before Arizona becomes effectively uninhabitable? I bet there will be significant population drops in parts of the southwest in my lifetime.

Arizona was cool to drive through, but you'd have to be a masochist to live there.

06-21-2017 , 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Yeah that study is completely unsurprising for anyone who had a conversation with any "libertarian", because scratching the surface of any of them reveals most of them are right wing authoritarians who adopt libertarian language disingenuously and many of the rest are just liberals who don't like the label.

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

As well as just straight up right wing authoritarians who use libertarian language as a cultural touchstone, there's the cohort of Republicans who smoke weed.

"Libertarians" who vote Democrat are basically just liberals trying to make it clear they understand Econ 101. I was in that category for a while, then I realized that instead of calling myself a libertarian and then listing 56,223 exceptions, I could just call myself a liberal and then explain that I'm aware of the virtues of the free market as a wealth generation tool.

What it is is that people assume libertarianism must be a right-wing ideology because in USA it's only encountered this way (the Democrats are partly at fault, their messaging has not caught up with the trend), without realizing that historically and globally it is just as often leftist.

06-21-2017 , 03:33 PM

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Because America has its own tradition of libertarianism, which exists to empower business owners and revise Civil War history.

06-21-2017 , 04:21 PM

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https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/sta...20417770467329

06-21-2017 , 04:22 PM

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AZ is not bad if you're over 5000' or so elevation.

06-21-2017 , 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by microbet

AZ is not bad if you're over 5000' or so elevation.

not many people are that tall, sadly

06-21-2017 , 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Because America has its own tradition of libertarianism, which exists to empower business owners and revise Civil War history.

And it's a shame that these interests are allowed to capture the entirety of the American libertarian mindset unopposed.

06-21-2017 , 04:48 PM

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https://twitter.com/EoinHiggins_/sta...17717460836352

06-21-2017 , 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by .Alex.

And it's a shame that these interests are allowed to capture the entirety of the American libertarian mindset unopposed.

Are you a billionaire who wants to found an institute?

06-21-2017 , 05:24 PM

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Would love to see some more verification of this if you ever find it. Gene Ponder is apparently a real teacher in Alabama with that e-mail address but it's still possible the list is a hoax, that's pretty out there.

edit: this likely website for one of the schools in that district has the same teacher's reading list from 2014-15 with some similarities, lol

06-21-2017 , 06:30 PM

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Are you a billionaire who wants to found an institute?

LOL, right? The Libertarian Party is literally a Koch Bros. product. It's only purpose it to keep Republican voters who might be dissatisfied with the top of the ticket in Presidential years showing up to the polls and voting R down ballot.

06-21-2017 , 07:34 PM

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He seems to have removed that list from the website! Here's what it looks like now:

http://spanishfort.bch.schoolinsites...&StaffID=36316

However, the internet never forgets:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

06-21-2017 , 07:40 PM

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He seems to have removed that list from the website! Here's what it looks like now:

LOL wow that was fast

06-21-2017 , 07:48 PM

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how many millions of emails do you think he's got already?

06-21-2017 , 08:28 PM

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Ouch

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Americans are no more likely to view Hillary Clinton favorably than they were before last year's presidential election. Forty-one percent have a favorable view of the 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, within the 41% to 43% range Gallup has recorded since November.

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Over the past quarter century, the favorable ratings of losing presidential candidates generally have increased after the election -- some in the immediate aftermath and others in the months that followed. With the exception of John Kerry, for whom there are no comparable data, losing presidential candidates since 1992 have experienced a boost of at least four percentage points in favorability when averaging their ratings from the day after the election through the following June.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/212705/hi...mpaign=sharing

06-21-2017 , 08:47 PM

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Hillary has been on the receiving end of a ~30 year smear campaign, and it didn't all come from the derposphere. I'm seriously hard pressed to think of a more maligned public figure in my lifetime who isn't a convicted criminal.