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Because leaking gov't information def isn't something that every generation in recorded history has engaged in. JFC, can we all just stop ****ting on Millennials for like maybe one week?

Also, it's supposed to say "Millennials are ruining government secrets". They ruin everything!

06-11-2017 , 07:45 PM

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ScreaminAsian

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06-11-2017 , 08:39 PM

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amoeba

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Good explanation ChrisV. That clears things up alot.

06-11-2017 , 08:46 PM

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If they help find the max-cut faster, then I, for one, welcome our new graph analytic overlords.

06-11-2017 , 10:09 PM

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That's sad.

06-12-2017 , 02:09 AM

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OmgGlutten!

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Get Out was a good movie.

06-12-2017 , 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

I will attempt to translate.

So for starters, a "graph" has a particular meaning in computer science:

So basically it's a whole set of entities and set of relations or links between them. Huge amounts of data structured like this are increasingly common in Big Data - think about a social network, for instance, people linked together in very complex ways.

Most computer processors right now use what is called Von Neumann architecture. This has a processing unit which fetches both data and instructions from a memory store. The conduit between the processor and memory is called a "bus". The CPU has to fetch instructions and then data sequentially, which creates a problem called the "Von Neumann bottleneck":

Bolded will be important in a sec. So, there are a number of ways that have been tried to mitigate the Von Neumann bottleneck. One thing you can do is try to be predictive about what the CPU will want next. So if the CPU requests data in memory location 1, then memory location 2, then memory location 3, then you can pre-fetch memory location 4, under the assumption that that's often what the CPU will want next.

So what problems are the absolute worst for the Von Neumann bottleneck? Per bolded above, when the CPU needs to perform "minimal processing on large amounts of data", which describes traversing a graph. Things are even worse when the nodes of the graph are distributed randomly and unpredictably through memory; or "sparsely" in the jargon.

Knowing all this, you should now be able to read and understand this:

How exactly that works, I don't know. It's more about the possible paradigm shift away from tried and true Von Neumann architecture, and the possible applications. From another article:

You can see the potential.

Thank you, this is awesome!

06-12-2017 , 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by OmgGlutten!

Get Out was a good movie.

Bill Maher accidentally quitting it in his 'I'm not a racist' campaign is the best.

06-12-2017 , 02:33 PM

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Didn't know where this would fit in, and not going to start a thread, so:
Thought experiment

06-12-2017 , 03:01 PM

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Didn't know where this would fit in, and not going to start a thread, so:
Thought experiment

All the references to the income distribution in the post seem contradictory. The income distribution can't evolve in the way he describes. For example, the 80th percentile income can't decrease by 40% while everyone below it is growing, or it would cease to be the 80th percentile. The most reasonable interpretation is that everyone who is currently in the top quintile would lose 5% of their current income per year and everyone else who is currently not in that quintile would do awesome for ten year.

Clear answer is that the political system definitely doesn't accept the bargain.

06-12-2017 , 04:28 PM

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What a silly thought experiment.

The premise centers around the end of human labor. Obvious snapcall on alien slavery if the only cost is trading money back and forth every once in a while. Will be pretty ****ed after 10 years though.

Also says nothing about people with huge wealth but 0 income.

06-12-2017 , 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

All the references to the income distribution in the post seem contradictory.

Can't you just stipulate (for the sake of the thought experiment; this doesn't have to actually work in real life) that the groups are fixed at the beginning of the experiment? I'm pretty sure that gets at the intent of the proposal well enough.

06-12-2017 , 06:44 PM

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NYT sent a reporter to fly around the country for a week to report on the joys of spending times in airplanes - this kinda ties in to a lot of DVaut's posts in the United Passenger Dragged Off Plane thread recently, and is a bit of an amusing read. On day 7 (flying every day):

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Here are some things I’ve done recently: challenged a T.S.A. agent who ordered me to remove a Kleenex from my pocket, sat in the wrong seat on a flight and claimed it was the other person’s fault, told a lost-bag agent that I was about to miss my next flight when it was not true, sat on the floor at a departure gate in order to charge my phone, and, at a low moment, jostled my seatmate’s arm right off our shared armrest while pretending I was doing something else.

Today I am inexplicably drawn into a passive-aggressive contretemps with a smirking man in cargo shorts who accuses me of failing to remove my items speedily enough from the security conveyor belt, and who calls me “lady.” I actually hiss, “What did you say to me?” as he walks off.

And then, everything changes. On day 8, the final day, she takes her first business-class flight of the trip:

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Having experienced the normal troubles of air travel, I’m enjoying its abnormal delights. I’m in business class on a cross-country flight. I never want to leave this seat.

Who wouldn’t enjoy this cocoon of privilege? I have checked in via a special entrance at Los Angeles International Airport leading to an anteroom whose desk is decorated with an orchid. I have enjoyed cucumber-infused water and a slide show of dramatic landscapes in a lounge.

I have breezed through a dedicated security line. I have waited in a second Delta lounge near the gate, under a Pop Art poster of a distressed cartoon woman saying: “Darling, you know I only travel first class!”

That’s how all of us feel. (We’re technically in business class, but there is no first class on this flight.) Relief, entitlement, schadenfreude and a mortal fear of having to fly economy again — these are the prevalent emotions. Maybe it’s better not to be here at all, because going back there will be so awful.

I’ve been hearing this a lot. “I feel so sorry for them,” Albert Zahalka, a passenger I met earlier in the week, said. When he was younger, he, too, had to fly economy. “It’s hard to travel anyway,” he said. “But to sit back there, it’s soul-destroying.”

06-12-2017 , 06:48 PM

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Whats the problem? Bootstrap your way to Business Class, whiner.

06-12-2017 , 06:52 PM

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I guess DVaut missed an opportunity for some class warfare red meat in his posts in that thread (at least, I don't recall him touching on that). I didn't realize business/first class passengers even had separate check-in and security, lol, that's ridiculous.

06-12-2017 , 07:02 PM

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I hate airlines, and I hate flying. I've only done it once in the past 7 years and I've managed to literally circumnavigate the globe without getting on a plane. But, uh, the current state of air travel is exactly what people are willing to pay for. We've been voting with our wallets for decades. We got what we asked for.

06-12-2017 , 07:56 PM

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...I've managed to literally circumnavigate the globe without getting on a plane...

How did you do that? Freighter across the Pacific?

06-12-2017 , 08:19 PM

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How did you do that? Freighter across the Pacific?

Yes, and the Atlantic, and the Indian ocean, and the Mediterranean, and a canal or two.

06-12-2017 , 09:22 PM

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Yes, and the Atlantic, and the Indian ocean, and the Mediterranean, and a canal or two.

So... you travelled around the world on freighters? All at once?

I was thinking of taking a rail oriented round-the-world trip. If I throw in the QE2 from NYC to London, and a luser cruiser ordeal from Ho Chi Minh City to rural Thailand, I can get from Solana Beach to Singapore. But... AFAIK that's it without flying... unless you charter a boat, or get a berth on a freighter.

06-12-2017 , 09:44 PM

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On one freighter, all at once. 4-1/2 months Houston -> Houston. Approximately 20 ports along the way. Not a fully containerized ship, so there was lots of time in port, probably averaged 2 days. I also jumped off in Italy for a few days and China for a week and caught back up with the boat at another port.

My next big trip, if I ever get around to it, is London -> Singapore by train.

You can book freighter travel across the Atlantic pretty easy, and it's a lot less than the QE2. This is the company I booked through:

https://www.freightercruises.com/

NB: As somebody who's crossed 3 big oceans on a freighter, I probably wouldn't do it again. It's a long trip with nothing but duty free booze and pirated DVD's to get you through the boredom. I'd definitely do up and down a coast again, though. That's a lot of fun, especially in Asia.

06-12-2017 , 09:47 PM

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That's some serious hate of flying. Do you have a fear of it or what?

And yeah, experimentation by airlines has demonstrated that passengers in economy are willing to sacrifice basically anything to get lower fares. So that's what we get.

06-12-2017 , 10:19 PM

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That trip was about taking that trip, not a hate of flying. I'm not afraid to fly, I just think it's a miserable way to travel. Journey >>> destination and all that.

06-12-2017 , 10:40 PM

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You guys might enjoy this book, which was a very light read:

The Ridiculous Race: 26,000 Miles, 2 Guides, 1 Globe, No Airplanes

https://www.amazon.com/Ridiculous-Ra.../dp/0805087400

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The most absurd, hilarious, and ridiculous travelogue ever told, by two hit-TV comedy writers who raced each other around the world―for bragging rights and a very expensive bottle of Scotch

It started as a friendly wager: two old friends from The Harvard Lampoon, Steve Hely and Vali Chandrasekaran now hotshot Hollywood scribes, challenged each other to a race around the globe in opposite directions. There was only one rule: no airplanes. The first man to cross every line of longitude and arrive back in L.A. would win Scotch and infamy. But little did one racer know that the other planned to cheat him out of the big prize by way of a ride on a quarter-million-dollar jet pack.

What follows is a pair of hilarious, hazardous, and eye-opening journeys into the farthest corners of the world. From the West Bank to the Aleutian Islands, the slums of Rio to the steppes of Mongolia, traveling by ocean freighter and the Trans-Siberian Railway (pranking each other mercilessly along the way), Vali and Steve plunge eagerly and ill-prepared into global adventure.

The Ridiculous Race is a comic travelogue unlike any other, an outrageous tale of two gentlemen travelers who can't wait to don baggy cardigan sweaters, clench corncob pipes between their teeth, and yell at their sons, "You lazy bums! When we were your age, we raced around the world without airplanes!"

Painted a similar picture of cross-ocean freighter travel; combination of boredom and liquor.