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07-01-2016 , 06:37 AM
Do-over of the runoff election, first far-right president incoming:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...van-der-bellen



On the upside, we probably won't make international headlines this time thanks to Brexit
07-01-2016 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Were there instances of capitalists taking their workers' wives and children and selling them to people in different states? Cause actual slaveowners did that.
Uh... actual slaveowners were actual capitalists... so yes. These capitalists also bred replacement slaves too. Are u high ??


Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 07-01-2016 at 09:09 AM.
07-01-2016 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Uh what in the world are you talking about? Stealing someone else's work? I started a thread consisting of like five words a you tube and a couple of gifs. I mean obviously I stole all of it in that I didnt like make the speech or take the images or invent any of the five words. What part is objectionable exaxtly?
lol, ikes has been caught in the past copy-pasting material from Drudge.
07-01-2016 , 09:57 AM
On FOX NEWS atm: "Chicago Bracing For Weekend Violence!"

Because, like, no other major American city is rolling out extra precautions for the long holiday weekend.
07-01-2016 , 10:14 AM
I will miss ikes but here to poast party gifs anyway








nsfw
Spoiler:
07-01-2016 , 10:16 AM
sean connery's wife getting eaten by a snuggie is A+++
07-01-2016 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Uh... actual slaveowners were actual capitalists... so yes. These capitalists also bred replacement slaves too. Are u high ??

But the only capitalists that did that were the ones that owned actual slaves, not the ones who employed wage "slaves," correct? That suggests one respect in which chattel slavery and wage slavery are not functionally equivalent.
07-01-2016 , 10:44 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...125_story.html

Wasn't someone just saying a few days ago how much of a non-idiot Fareed Zakaria was? Lou?
07-01-2016 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...125_story.html

Wasn't someone just saying a few days ago how much of a non-idiot Fareed Zakaria was? Lou?
The dude makes a living off of saying stuff that people want to listen to. There is already plenty of obvious, sober analysis of Trump's VP possibilities (straight, white, xenophobic Republican men who say crazy things). Saying he should pick Bernie Sanders gets him a little bit of attention, so he does it. The whole Washington Post Editorial Board is like that. George Will rants against blue jeans. I will expect a recap of 2008's most popular song, "This is great new for John McCain," when the Trump campaign continues to march towards an inevitable disaster for the GOP, but because uncompetitive elections aren't interesting, someone is going to have to find some way to say that things are going well.
07-01-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
But the only capitalists that did that were the ones that owned actual slaves, not the ones who employed wage "slaves,"...
LOL no, LOL no. The capitalists who owned chattel slaves universally used wage slavery too. Who do you think was holding the whips? I'll if you a hint: it wasn't the absentee owning class. LMFAO@ trying to draw some kinda dichotomy here.

And uh, as I mentioned, capitalists often switched back & forth between wage slavery & chattel slavery for production... or employed one at some of their enterprises, and the other at other enterprises, and perhaps used sharecropping at still some others. None of this shiz is mutually exclusive. Again, all depending on what they thought would be more profitable in that particular niche at that particular moment. It's not like they weren't capitalists regardless, these were just routine business decisions back in the day, that's how capitalism works. Again... r u high??

Anyways, just LOL just no, to begin with. Plenty of capitalists of the day didn't directly own the plantation slaves. The railroad owning capitalists generally rented. Then we got these dudes...

Quote:
... The closing of the African slave trade in 1807 posed a major challenge to slavery’s expansion. Yet it wasn’t a challenge that creative entrepreneurs could not overcome... one slave trader, Austin Woolfolk, turned this setback into an opportunity, becoming extraordinarily rich in the process... Woolfolk’s genius was to build such an exchange, using the newspaper advertisement business as his medium. Woolfolk’s particular gift was in creating eye-grabbing ads... clear, simple, all-caps ad written by Woolfolk: “CASH FOR NEGROES.”...

But the paper money needed to buy and sell slaves was in short supply in the early nineteenth century... forward-thinking southern bankers devised a way for potential slave owners to access credit markets... To get planters credit... bankers... allowed slaveholders to use what few slaves they had as collateral for loans... then repackaged these loans into financial instruments that their banks sold to creditors in New York and Europe... their era’s equivalent of the recent bankers who sliced up sub-prime mortgages, repackaged them into complicated financial instruments, and made themselves phenomenally rich in the process...

Some... business concepts like “vertical integration” and “start-up costs” existed... Firms... saved money by gaining control of many aspects of the domestic slave trade: they not only owned the jail cells used to house slaves in transit, they also created an internal financial firm, akin to what General Motors had done a century later... Morgan’s Gulf Coast steamship line... became the dominant carrier for those slaves, his only competition coming from a rising young capitalist emerging on the scene: Cornelius Vanderbilt...
Good luck on No-True-Scotsman-ing these dudes. Did I mention LMFAO@u !!!1!

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 07-01-2016 at 11:26 AM.
07-01-2016 , 11:17 AM
How ikexit makes me feel:

Sorta NSFW
Spoiler:
07-01-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
On FOX NEWS atm: "Chicago Bracing For Weekend Violence!"

Because, like, no other major American city is rolling out extra precautions for the long holiday weekend.
Chicago is a little different than most cities
07-01-2016 , 11:22 AM
I love how Shame's definition of slavery is anything that prevents one from jerking off to porn all day instead of working
07-01-2016 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by PoBoy321
The dude makes a living off of saying stuff that people want to listen to.

Change that to "saying whatever other establishment hacks want to hear" and you're on the money.
07-01-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
LOL no, LOL no. The capitalists who owned chattel slaves universally used wage slavery too. Who do you think was holding the whips? I'll if you a hint: it wasn't the absentee owning class. LMFAO@ trying to draw some kinda dichotomy here.

And uh, as I mentioned, capitalists often switched back & forth between wage slavery & chattel slavery for production... or employed one at some of their enterprises, and the other at other enterprises, and perhaps used sharecropping at still some others. None of this shiz is mutually exclusive. Again, all depending on what they thought would be more profitable in that particular niche at that particular moment. It's not like they weren't capitalists regardless, these were just routine business decisions back in the day, that's how capitalism works. Again... r u high??

Anyways, just LOL just no, to begin with. Plenty of capitalists of the day didn't directly own the plantation slaves. The railroad owning capitalists generally rented. Then we got these dudes...



Good luck on No-True-Scotsman-ing these dudes. Did I mention LMFAO@u !!!1!
I have no issue with the argument that capitalists were heavily involved in real slavery. I have lots of issues with the claim that "wage slavery" and actual slavery were equivalent in any way.
07-01-2016 , 11:35 AM
when is the missiledogxit?
07-01-2016 , 11:37 AM
Fareed Zakaria is legit. He's probably on a beach somewhere with models and had an intern file that.
07-01-2016 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
I love how Shame's definition of slavery is anything that prevents one from jerking off to porn all day instead of working
Man, you're the worst. Here... why don't you do us all a favor. Go over to ATF, and post "perma please" in the Ban Me thread. Why wait?

We were discussing the era around the US civil war. I wasn't born until ~100 years later. So unless you think I'm magical, and I can time travel, my 'definitions' aren't at all relevant.

Besides, I know peeps in the porn business who do QC. One of my buddies "mystery shopped" a NV brothel. Why are you disparaging their honest work?
07-01-2016 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I have no issue with the argument that capitalists were heavily involved in real slavery. I have lots of issues with the claim that "wage slavery" and actual slavery were equivalent in any way.
Well, once again, I'm sorry you have issues with history. And once again, I'm not sure what I can do about that for you. I'm not a psychologist, of whatever.

If I could buy stock in capitalist Railroad company A, which used wage slavery for it's heavy construction, or I could buy stock in capitalist Railroad company B, which used chattel slavery for it's heavy construction... well they are in fact equivalent as far as the capitalist way is concerned.

Again, sorry about your feelings being hurt by history, or whatever your underlying issues may be. But I wasn't even born back then... so why are you getting mad at me ??
07-01-2016 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
Fareed Zakaria is legit. He's probably on a beach somewhere with models and had an intern file that.
Well, everyone knows Custer died at Little Bighorn. What this book presupposes is... maybe he didn't.
07-01-2016 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...125_story.html

Wasn't someone just saying a few days ago how much of a non-idiot Fareed Zakaria was? Lou?

I like his show and he generally focuses on foreign affairs. This take is spot on IMO.
07-01-2016 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Man, you're the worst. Here... why don't you do us all a favor. Go over to ATF, and post "perma please" in the Ban Me thread. Why wait?

We were discussing the era around the US civil war. I wasn't born until ~100 years later. So unless you think I'm magical, and I can time travel, my 'definitions' aren't at all relevant.

Besides, I know peeps in the porn business who do QC. One of my buddies "mystery shopped" a NV brothel. Why are you disparaging their honest work?
I'm not disparaging their work. I'm disparaging your worldview where having to work is slavery. This is not just how you feel about the past. This is how you feel about now.
07-01-2016 , 12:03 PM
then lol you Lou. Not only is his analysis factually inaccurate (one guess as to a country that has had a booming economy for years while being far more heavily protectionist than Fareed would like) but his political ideas are ******ed. Trump thinks the US is losing from trade deals to the developing world, Sanders thinks trade deals screw working amd poor people in in both places. one is a class based argument and the other mercantilist. Not to mention things like....Brexit? Trump and Sanders in total disagreement.
07-01-2016 , 12:10 PM
Sanders and Trump seem to be in lock step on the underlying problems that lead to Brexit. Where is the disagreement?
07-01-2016 , 12:11 PM
sanders backed remain. im in agreement with Matt Taibbi on the factors that led there, doesnt mean either of us wanted it.

      
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