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Old 07-07-2017, 01:54 AM   #151
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A point I didn't make: The top two threats to the West are Trump and Russia, in that order. Radical muslims are tied with toys that are also choking hazards on the list of Threats To The West.

Trump didn't understand the speech, doesn't actually believe it, but he thinks it sounded presidential.
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Old 07-07-2017, 01:59 AM   #152
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Not sure I buy some of this. It's a matter of opinion really but:



My answer would be "obviously not" for all those examples. To me "the West" is Western Europe (meaning EU-aligned, essentially) and the ex-British Anglosphere - USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. The biggest question mark for inclusion is Israel. The idea that Latin America, in particular, might be a candidate is pretty startling to me.

Of course, I'm not including Bosnia for religious reasons, so I'm not saying that the core point of the article is wrong, just that the author has some weird ideas on "the West".
The first time around, pre Isreal, the target of Threats to the West speeches were jews. I'm not talking Hitler, I'm taking the prior 200+ years of antisemitism (and Hitler, obv). Now you're wondering if a jewish state is The West. It's a legitimate question, which further shows just how stupid such speeches are.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:08 AM   #153
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Nationalist racists can be cool with other races if they are also nationalist racist separtists. Trump loves Erdogan and Duterte. Lotta right wingers are cool with the Jews in Israel and not so much with Jew York City.

I agree with any analysis there about Trump not knowing what the **** he's talking about.

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Old 07-07-2017, 02:11 AM   #154
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Just read the Beinart piece in the Atlantic. He is, of course, correct. Spaceman is wrong and needs to read some history.

Ironically, ScreaminAsian is right about Western culture, which kinda wraps it all in a bow.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:15 AM   #155
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It's an essentially fascist speech for sure, btw, I mean look at this:

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The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive.
What does that mean? I mean what will be the practical difference between the West being just CHOCK FULL of "will to survive" versus having none of it? The next sentence clarifies:

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Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?
This is one of Umberto Eco's characteristics of Ur-Fascism, the "cult of action":

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[Fascism] also depends on the cult of action for action’s sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.
I mean one could argue that standing firm behind our values and not showing fear in the face of lunatics deliberately running people over in cars requires strength of will. But that's never what fascists mean by "will". It's always inextricably tied up with action, with DOING something.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:21 AM   #156
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I mean one could argue that standing firm behind our values and not showing fear in the face of lunatics deliberately running people over in cars requires strength of will. But that's never what fascists mean by "will". It's always inextricably tied up with action, with DOING something.
I didn't watch, but didn't they round up a bunch of football hooligans for the audience who will immediately have the will to beat to death the next Muslim they see?
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:35 AM   #157
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Yeah, that "fundamental question" looks pretty damn unfundamental.

"Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost?" Um, couldya maybe be a little more specific? That line could come straight from the mouth of any of history's worst people. Like the content is sub silenco, a dog whistle if you will, but it's the sort of statement that needs to be fleshed out with a bit more substance. Cause I'm hearing it, and it's making me think that if we actually have Confidence In Our Values, then we should impeach Trump and imprison every one of his family members until they die a natural death. That would really show whether The West Has the Will To Survive.

And isn't one of our values the unwillingness to defend our values at any cost, becase that would undermine our values? Like Russia defends its values by cheating in the Olympics and then letting it's athletes deal with the repercussions. We don't, because living our values is more important than defending them.

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Old 07-07-2017, 02:35 AM   #158
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Radical muslims are tied with toys that are also choking hazards on the list of Threats To The West.
I am a child of the cold war (the son in The Americans shows my exact childhood). We grew up with the threat of 1000s of nuclear weapons pointed at us on short fuses. That is a real, existential threat.

Radical muslim terrorists are a joke. How many tanks do they have? How many divisions? They are nothing. There is no timeline that ends with radical muslim terrorists defeating 'the west'. Or even doing meaningful damage. The very best they can hope for is we are total fools who damage ourselves reacting to a non-threat.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:46 AM   #159
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Maybe they envision a hellscape like California, except the taco trucks on every corner are replaced by kabob stands. And it's not just mexicans who do yardwork and pick fruit but also Syrians
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:07 AM   #160
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One last thing, in my university we had a required two year long Western Civilization course. We only read original texts, from the Bible, old and new testament, to Beckett/Camus/Sartre. There was some history, but mainly 'great books,' Herodotus, Virgil, Agustine, Aquinas, Dante (all three books), Milton, and much more. So, I know a little about the the Western Civilization these idiots like Miller claim to cherish. And those are great works, some unequaled to this day, but these dumbficks have no idea of the actual development of Western culture, art, law, science, philosophy. It's only the liberals and eggheads who care about this stuff. Trump's notion of Western culture is the nfl, milton friedman, the WWE, Dallas and Dynasty, Elvis, Rocky, and a nice piece of ass. Worth fighting for? Sure, but the sandox they're playing in is not what has made Western Civilization the force that it is.

Also had to read a decent amount of Oswlad Spenglers Decline of the West (1918), where it was the jews ruining everything.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Spengler

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Old 07-07-2017, 03:52 AM   #161
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Do we know if Kushner still has his security clearance? I assume he does and that I owe someone $20 now or in a couple of days.
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Old 07-07-2017, 04:12 AM   #162
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I know; i thought that was pretty good. We can agree to disagree. mentioning that is hard because of his perceived or real alliance with russia. idk like i said I dont know what trump thinks but what i heard in this speeched i liked.
Between trumps continued obfuscating on Russian interference in our elections and his do what ever it takes or we all die stuff, i think it might of been his scariest outings.
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Old 07-07-2017, 07:40 AM   #163
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TYVM sir. And thanks to my fellow politards for sharing their wisdom !!!1!

To my obvious surprise, the very legitimate industry sources I consulted all assured me that it is 100% industry standard that uninsured motorist coverage doesn't cover hit&runs. I also asked these good folk to please not say "go after" (pet peeve).

I'm also pretty surprised that a couple of politards mentioned that coverage they believed was only liability & uninsured paying off in a parked car hit&run. But, as mentioned, one or maybe both payoffs were decades ago. I never had to file such a claim back in the day, but I vaguely remember hearing/etc it was like that back then. It might be a matter of the insurance product being offered under the name "uninsured coverage" has drifted over time.

As for daisy-chaining the insurance coverage back through the vehicles... I've always heard that to be true as "accepted wisdom" also... it's something I've heard all my live.

However, I've been assured, that I can file an insurance claim, or a lawsuit, against anyone I can identify. However, if the insurance company has a police accident report in hand, saying their client wasn't to blame, that filing such a claim would be variously what my insurance company advised ("a waste of time"), to most optimistically "don't hold your breath, but anything's possible, I guess".

The Blazer drivin' fool, like myself, has a major-mega insurance company, both of which takes claims over the interwebs. Actually reading the policy, getting a free lawyer consult, and making a perhaps futile but easy online insurance claim... that is basically a free-roll... I figure. I might just get off my ass and do these things. Unless lightning strikes... I'll spare my fellow politards the sorry remainder of the saga of Sabo's car wreck.


As a lawyer who does PI car accidents (not in your state ) , I can almost assure you that you'll get a free consultation with a lawyer near you. You also have very little to do on your end if they take the case. Just sit tight, usually lawyer can get a settlement and if they're successful, you get a check in the mail.

Definitely a freeroll, as you said.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:50 AM   #164
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It's an essentially fascist speech for sure, btw, I mean look at this:



What does that mean? I mean what will be the practical difference between the West being just CHOCK FULL of "will to survive" versus having none of it? The next sentence clarifies:



This is one of Umberto Eco's characteristics of Ur-Fascism, the "cult of action":



I mean one could argue that standing firm behind our values and not showing fear in the face of lunatics deliberately running people over in cars requires strength of will. But that's never what fascists mean by "will". It's always inextricably tied up with action, with DOING something.
That's not how I understood it.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:17 PM   #165
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:45 PM   #166
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A bit odd that the military had a Jade Helm exercise this year but no one heard about it. What could have changed this year that made those who are ever vigilant about government jackboots be so lax?

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Airmen assigned to the 7th Logistics Readiness Squadron and 39th Airlift Squadron participated in a joint exercise here May 2 to 5.

The U.S. Special Operations command exercise Joint Assistance for Deployment Execution Homeland Eradication of Local Militants also known as JADE HELM, involves multiple military bases and simulates air drops of equipment and personnel to eliminate any combatants in areas not owned by the U.S.
http://www.18af.amc.af.mil/News/Arti...ing-jade-helm/
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:56 PM   #167
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As a lawyer... Definitely a freeroll, as you said.
Again, a TYVM to my fellow politards for generously sharing their wisdom !!!1!

I got this advice from several peeps IRL too. IIRC I've mentioned: the Blazer was being driven recklessly, the fool driving it acted in a suspicious manner, I don't believe the CHP report, there exists that third party witness, etc.

At this point I'm resigned to not getting any $$$$ from the various insurance companies. I'm also in no hurry, as I got the statute of limitations to mill over sueing the fool, I have garage space to store the wreck indefinitely, and I got another even more ancient car to drive around in. On the flip side... the wreck is ancient too. It had a pre-wreck kbb.com value of only ~$1500.

Eventually, as this is all a part of Sabo's life story, I'll blog the full story of the crash, and what I eventually did with the wreck, over in my dog blog.

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"I am not a number, I'm a free dog!"

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this week on the game "neo-nazi or not?"

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Old 07-07-2017, 03:22 PM   #170
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maybe i should start reading the trump thread. obviously a faulty pony
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:39 PM   #171
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twitter is saying the title is native to the article, so palin isnt neo-nazi, she just reads them
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twitter is saying the title is native to the article, so palin isnt neo-nazi, she just reads them
retweets them, has it pointed out, and then leaves the tweets up.
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