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07-10-2017 , 10:25 PM
I guess filling the pool is a snap if you don't mind salt water.

The helicopter pad was standard, but the mini sub hangar confirmed Bond Villain status.
07-10-2017 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Inequality is to the point where the 1% are all Bond Villains now.
It's just the latest frontier for Seasteading... it's Submerged Seasteading... or maybe Deep Seamolia. Just imagine a luxury mega-submarine built to accommodate a whole feudal LTer realm. The Taxman can't hold his breath long enough to theft you. Don't wanna pay your cabin rent... the ship's crew will voluntarily escort you out the airlock.

I'd call it "20,000 €Buttcoins$ Under the Sea". Synopsis: 1000 brave LTers went down. The End.
07-10-2017 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
What's the deal with Chapo? Like, they could only afford two good microphones so matt gets a tin can on a string?

Also, their latest episode on UBI is really turrible. Like omg, UBI is bad because employers won't have to pay a living wage? It's more important to these dumbasses to outsource the social safety net to big bad corporations than actually do something good for people because they are driven primarily by the need to stick it to someone.
I'm not sure what that last sentence is supposed to mean. Who are the dumbasses? Who exactly wants to outsource the social safety net to big bad corporations? That said, this post is [fire emojis]. I don't really understand why everyone's so obsessed with it. It's not even that funny.
07-11-2017 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by miliboo
Interesting piece in the guardian from some dude who analysed a bunch of anon google search data of lolAmericans.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ens-davidowitz

Amongst the doozies:
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I think the degree to which people are self-absorbed is pretty shocking.
For some reason I perversely find this amusing. We probably didn't have much time to navel gaze back when we were always busy hunting and gathering, maybe navel gazing is the stage we're currently on in the evolution of our species?

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07-11-2017 , 06:50 AM
Seattle City Council Passes income Tax on "Wealthy" Folks
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The Seattle City Council unanimously approved an income tax on wealthy residents Monday, a move widely expected to draw a quick legal challenge.

The measure applies a 2.25 percent tax on total income above $250,000 for individuals and above $500,000 for married couples filing their taxes together.

“Seattle should serve everyone, not just rich folks,” software developer Carissa Knipe told the council before the 9-0 vote, saying she makes more than $170,000 per year.

The city estimates the tax would raise about $140 million a year and cost $10 million to $13 million to set up, plus $5 million to $6 million per year to manage and enforce.

The council’s finance committee cleared the tax last weekand increased the rate from 2 percent to 2.25 percent.

“I would love to be taxed,” the 24-year-old from Ballard testified, drawing applause from a room packed with supporters of the tax.

The measure applies a 2.25 percent tax on total income above $250,000 for individuals and above $500,000 for married couples filing their taxes together.

Opponents have argued the tax would violate state law and the state constitution, while proponents have said it would make Seattle’s tax structure more fair and that they want to test the legality of taxing income.
It is only matter of time that WA has a state income tax in my view. Jay Inslee is sure to like not lift a finger to fight this tax. In fact he'll probably weigh in on the side of Seattle.
07-11-2017 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce
Well to be fair when you account for all of the no actually this is my absolute least fav thing about the right this gnawing insistence at how women are supposed to behave and seriously it's not the 1950's it's 2017 and i know i know current year.

Though it's sickening when conservative men have this mindset, what really makes me want to puke is the conservative women who think they have a place, and that place is to be subservient to men. And it's not even a sexual thing like some hot BDSM, it's just oh I'm a conservative woman, I must make food and clean house for man.
07-11-2017 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
If you want to be bleak about climate change this article is for you

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...or-humans.html
The Planet Remade is a good book about geoengineering people may want to read. Hard to see how we avoid the necessity for it at this point.
07-11-2017 , 08:51 AM
reports that isis leader possibly dead
07-11-2017 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
The Planet Remade is a good book about geoengineering people may want to read. Hard to see how we avoid the necessity for it at this point.
It may be, but 95% of the time it's discussed it's very harmful as in: "We're not going to conserve or use existing alternatives. Don't bother the C.A.F.E. standards, we will just science the **** out of this at a later date. "
07-11-2017 , 10:32 AM
The history of geoengineering which can be as simple as dam building, irrigation, and fertilization is not one of total successes with plenty of hard lessons learned and human pain along the way, and can easily be weaponized by bad actors. The Chinese opening the dikes and flooding the Yellow River plain in 1938 and killing hundreds of thousands of people and making refugees of perhaps millions more being a notable and well known example. Geoengineering is a hugely risky solution to count on if we're starting to bake in assumptions that catastrophic climate change is looking more likely. Humans being humans, shortsighted and selfish, there's a lot banking on geoengineering solutions being controlled by drastically different types of people than who have presided over current ecological crises.

Obviously the gloom of Trump casts a pall over everything but "don't worry, science has this" is hardly comforting.

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07-11-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
I didn't listen to it, but I think there's a valid concern that a UBI that, say, paid half a living would essentially just be a subsidy for Wal-Mart.
I mean the fire department is a subsidy for walmart, too. Should we get rid of that?
07-11-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverman
None of those things make money
do you mean before or after the corporate welfare handouts?
07-11-2017 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
Phill a lefty? No way, he was a die hard Tory who happened to be very pro-EU and immigration, a dying breed known as One Nation Tories who ran the party until Thatcher and Monetarism took over.

We could use more like him here to stimulate the debate, rather than the far right trolls we get.
This is right. Phil advocated for the end of tax credits for the poor (for our US posters somewhat akin to EITC) until after the Tory party dropped the plans after the threat of revolt from the house of lords.

That's right he was outflanked from the left by the house of lords.
07-11-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Matt Christman lives in Cincinatti, he's talking to the other guys over Skype, while the other guys are generally in the same room. Apparently he's moving to NY at some point, so that'll probably improve. Haven't listened to the new ep yet.
Ah, that makes sense. They should tape-sync his audio (i.e. record his audio locally in decent quality and then splice it in with the other guys so they all sound the same)
07-11-2017 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pvn
I mean the fire department is a subsidy for walmart, too. Should we get rid of that?
Absolutist thinking is horrible.

The answer is no. Some subsidies for Wal-Mart are good and some are bad. You shouldn't have to drive on roof roads to get to Wal-Mart, but the government shouldn't pad their profits when all it accomplishes is funneling money to shareholders executive bonuses.
07-11-2017 , 11:10 AM
An article on the Redneck Revolt, the pro gun anti racist group made up of poor whites

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Redneck Revolt began in 2009 as an offshoot of the John Brown Gun Club, a firearms training project originally based in Kansas. Dave Strano, one of Redneck Revolt’s founding members, had seized upon what he saw as a contradiction in the Tea Party movement, then in its infancy. Many Tea Party activists were fellow working-class people who had endured significant hardships as a result of the 2008 economic crisis which, in his eyes, had been caused by the very wealthy. And yet, Tea Partiers were now flocking in great numbers to rallies funded by the 1%.

By supporting economically conservative politicians, Strano thought, they would only be further manipulated to benefit the already rich.

“The history of the white working class has been a history of being an exploited people,” he wrote. “However, we’ve been an exploited people that further exploits other exploited people. While we’ve been living in tenements and slums for centuries, we’ve also been used by the rich to attack our neighbors, coworkers, and friends of different colors, religions and nationalities.”

Now, eight years later, more than 20 Redneck Revolt branches have sprouted across the US; the groups range widely in size, some with only a handful of members. Max Neely is a member of the Mason-Dixon branch, which encompasses central Pennsylvania as well as his native western Maryland. Many members are white, but the organization seeks to build on a “redneck” identity beyond race.

“I grew up playing in the woods, floating coolers of beer down a river, shooting off fireworks, just generally raising hell, all that kind of stuff,” said Neely. “Things most people would consider a part of redneck culture. We’re trying to acknowledge the ways we’ve made mistakes and bought into white supremacy and capitalism, but also give ourselves an environment in which it’s OK to celebrate redneck culture.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw
07-11-2017 , 11:40 AM
that wage subsidies are bad because they support businesses is genuinely the worst idea on american left.

the economics is questionable, because if low wage earners have choice and bargaining power they will still get paid roughly about what their labour is worth.

we can argue about that part but, honestly, who cares if businesses get a bonus for hiring low wage earners? that's not a terrible thing. we want people in jobs and we want someone to hire them. taxing rich people to pay companies that hire poor people a bonus is a fine idea. walmart is a big and bad maybe, but most will work at smaller firms anyway.
07-11-2017 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
An article on the Redneck Revolt, the pro gun anti racist group made up of poor whites



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...P=share_btn_tw
All the hillbilly fun with half the calories.
07-11-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
that wage subsidies are bad because they support businesses is genuinely the worst idea on american left...
LMFAO. Wage subsidies are bad. But nobody imagines they are bad because they "support businesses". That's not a "worst idea on the american left"... it's not an idea of anybody, american or not, 'Leftist' or not.

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... low wage earners have choice and bargaining power they will still get paid roughly about what their labour is worth...
Oh Rielly? Your economics is questionable, to say the least. Wage earners are always paid less than what their labor is worth under capitalism. That's exactly, along with rent & interest, what modern capitalism is.
07-11-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Absolutist thinking is horrible.

The answer is no. Some subsidies for Wal-Mart are good and some are bad. You shouldn't have to drive on roof roads to get to Wal-Mart, but the government shouldn't pad their profits when all it accomplishes is funneling money to shareholders executive bonuses.
OK, I agree absolutist thinking is bad, but how does one of these subsidies funnel money to "shareholders executive bonuses" while the other one doesn't?
07-11-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Absolutist thinking is horrible.
Absolutely always?
07-11-2017 , 01:16 PM
Nothing is always absolutely so.
07-11-2017 , 01:19 PM
Not even 2+2=4?
07-11-2017 , 01:23 PM
Kripkenstein, Radiohead, Orwell, whatever.
07-11-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
The history of geoengineering which can be as simple as dam building, irrigation, and fertilization is not one of total successes with plenty of hard lessons learned and human pain along the way, and can easily be weaponized by bad actors. The Chinese opening the dikes and flooding the Yellow River plain in 1938 and killing hundreds of thousands of people and making refugees of perhaps millions more being a notable and well known example. Geoengineering is a hugely risky solution to count on if we're starting to bake in assumptions that catastrophic climate change is looking more likely. Humans being humans, shortsighted and selfish, there's a lot banking on geoengineering solutions being controlled by drastically different types of people than who have presided over current ecological crises.

Obviously the gloom of Trump casts a pall over everything but "don't worry, science has this" is hardly comforting.
All reasonable points of caution (and many discussed in the book, which is very thoughtful), but if the permafrost is going to melt soon and release gigantic amounts of greenhouse gases, there's not a lot of options.

      
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