This week on lol vox do you fancy some hillbilly elegy with a side order of the bleedin' obvious?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...gan-supporters

it turns out hicksville republicans don't think russia is a big deal. Thanks Ezra!

Roster check: what happened to Phill, and Rjoe, and Vixticator?

What if the subsidy was 100% of a livable wage? Then the workers could tell old walton to shove his job if he didn't improve the terms no?

rjoe in jail for SNAP fraud obv.

Dunno how far this goes back, but Ds and Rs weren't that far apart in 2010 and based on the slope there it looks like education might have been non-partisan before Obama. With Obama the Rs embraced ignorance and consumated the relationship with Trump.

I think Phill and Vixticator both went out like Dids.

I would like to see Phill's takes on things. Aside from the new trolls mongidig, BroadwaySushy, and Bitchibee, Phill was the most authoritarian poster around - certainly the most authoritarian leftist.

RE: Pew poll with party view of education

Think it's more likely that to explain any stark, immediate differences -- Fly is likely correct that right-wing media coverage of BLM at Missouri or Milo at Berkeley freakouts are responsible moreso than anything specifically Trumpian.

Obviously the parties aren't static, so if you keep polling a party which is constituted by increasingly larger share of the less-educated, you get that kind of result too. Perhaps it's a story of people with educations or who value education simply fleeing the GOP.

Yeah, Phil had an entertaining brand of politics that was full-on Jill Stejn crazy but also authoritarian. Not sure why he finally walked out.

Why is there such an increase in Banks popularity among Republicans?

Yuv,

I think most of 2010 through 2016, where the Rs and Ds aren't really that much different, is just a recovery of their reputation which certainly plummeted in 2008.

At 2015/2016 I think Bernie had an effect on the Ds. I guess the Trumpkins like Wall St. ok.

I'm imagining two liberals enslaved in the Koch's salt mines, saying to one another "At least we fought fair."

Banks make liberals cry therefore banks are good. They will embrace literally anything if there's a chance of liberal tears.

Takes from the last charts: Unions trending positive among Rs, the hard swing among Rs for banks since the financial crisis.

The reason banks improved among Rs was 2010 was just after the financial crisis and fishbowl memories. That was also when we thought the Tea Party was about populism.

If I'm reading this correctly, it's actually Republican college graduate that have the most negative take. They didn't have fun at college?

Banks are almost totally non-partisan before this election season on that chart.

Barely though. It looks like it's more about age and income. Lower income older Republicans are the one's who think college is brainwashing them libruls.

And I mean that compared to other Republicans. They love ignorance pretty much across the board.

Well, sure, maybe, but I think these sorts of trends below -- that eventually results in the sort of trendlines we see in how the GOP views education:



...that is, the GOP is getting more voters with less education. Or a larger share of the GOP electorate didn't go to college relative to the past. So the trends on how much they value college follows accordingly.

Microbet points out that I should have given more heed to the dramatic recent increase when giving this take.

Strangely, though, it seems like it views of college trend downward as income goes up on the GOP side. I don't think I'd have predicted that. Any one poll can have strange crosstab data like that but if were consistent, I'd be curious as to why.

My guess would be that young republicans are broke and age is the biggest factor in Education view as it seems.

If Chapo Trap House has done anything, it's made trolling of pretentious conservatives acceptable


https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/884468509790613508

Eh I wanted to take it to my preferred "actually fascism and disdain for educated elites is a middle/upper class phenomenon, not a working class one" take I've dumped on the forum lately and point to the fact education is increasingly viewed as a negative among the wealthier right-wingers. That is, the alt-right Milo 4chaners are the shock troops but the core of the army are the older and wealthier.

I'll reiterate that our stories about 2016 and modern America are lacking and little bits of data like this simply reinforce (for me) that the genuine, very real right-wing reactionaries in America are NOT quite working class whites where the data presents a very messy story about their sympathies, and it's not the younger right-wingers who also present data that is suggestive of more diversity of opinion than they are given credit for. And Milo/4chan et al are a sideshow.

The real, genuine hardcore reactionaries are middle class and slightly wealthier older whites. Middle class and upper middle class whites over 50. That's the GOP bread and butter voter and the people going hard right. It's a story that doesn't comport with any real image of the bomb throwing angry person but that's the absolute sweet spot for Trump and the GOP, the people marching in absolute lock-step and demonstrating their dependability for the GOP and showing increasing hostility to cosmopolitan values in polls. The working class are fickle; they're the ones expressing the anxiety about TrumpCare. The youth as well. It's the older white with some money that is unmovable except into more strident right-winger behaviors. I've also made the point that they are not evenly distributed geographically and I'm sure many of you know where to find the hard core Trump supporters and where you likely aren't going to find them.

Telling the story about modern America and the political zeitgeist has to recognize that.

I realize this is a minor crosstab thing in one single poll so the jumping off point isn't strong, but I think that the value of education goes DOWN as income goes up on the right is highly, highly curious but sort of makes sense when viewed with other data like who were Trump voters in the GOP primaries, who feels strongest for him now, etc. And it's worth reiterating that.

Not that it means much but all of my experience living in rural America seems to confirm this.

and super ecstatic to lick the jackboots of any authority figure that is cracking down on dissent.