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01-08-2016 , 04:54 PM
Greenwald on the Charlie Hebdo free speech crusaders: where are they now?

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In October, France’s highest court upheld the criminal conviction of activists who advocate boycotts and sanctions against Israel as a means of ending the occupation. What did these criminals do? They “arrived at the supermarket wearing shirts emblazoned with the words: ‘Long live Palestine, boycott Israel'” and “also handed out fliers that said that ‘buying Israeli products means legitimizing crimes in Gaza.'” Because boycotts against Israel were deemed “anti-semitic” by the French court, it was a crime to advocate it. Where were all the post-Hebdo crusaders when these 12 individuals were criminally convicted for expressing their political views critical of Israel? Nowhere to be found.
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But this all highlights that free speech was not the principle being upheld here; free speech was just a weapon used by some tribalistic Westerners to try to force people into cheering for anti-Islam and anti-Muslim cartoons (not merely the right to publish the cartoons without punishment or violence, but the cartoons themselves).

And what even more powerfully demonstrates the sham at the heart of this post-Hebdo spectacle is that before the Paris march, and especially since, there has been a systematic assault on the free speech rights of huge numbers of people in France and throughout the West who are either Muslim and/or critics of the West or Israel, and the newfound Hebdo free speech crusaders have exhibited almost no opposition, and at times tacit or explicit support. That’s because free speech was their cynical weapon, not their actual belief.
01-08-2016 , 05:00 PM
Seems a bit thin to criticize people for talking about a high-profile mass murder while not saying anything about random French criminal cases. I mean, obviously it's an abomination to send people to jail for wearing T-shirts. These people ought to move to USA#1.
01-08-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
I'm not getting enough political news and commentary. Please recommend some sites. TIA
You should read thebrowser.com (not just politics).
01-08-2016 , 06:33 PM
I really don't get the martin shkreli case.

How does a guy get embroiled in a fraud to repay debts of ~8 million that will almost certainly send him to prison when he is worth at least 45 million according to the court, he had no difficulty paying a 5 million bond and he has enough cash on hand to buy a wu tang album for 2 million?
01-08-2016 , 06:48 PM
Hubris.
01-08-2016 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by simplicitus
thanks

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Originally Posted by bobman0330
You should read thebrowser.com (not just politics).
Looks interesting. There was a story from Heterodox Academy in there today. It was interesting but that site's characterization of its aims interests me. I'm broadly sympathetic to the idea of fighting epistemic closure and ideological mono-culture, but their list of "entrenched but questionable orthodoxies" reads disturbingly like a just-slightly-too-intellectual version of "race realism":

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  • Humans are a blank slate, and “human nature” does not exist.
  • All differences between human groups are caused by differential treatment of those groups, or by differential media portrayals of group members.
  • Social stereotypes do not correspond to any real differences.
  • Affirmative action is highly effective at advancing the interests, success, and status of oppressed or underrepresented groups
I'm not sure what to make of it
01-08-2016 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. I'm skipping past all the 'current public schools are a hell scape that destroys our youth' and talking about his proposed solution.

If schools compete for children, and get funding based on enrollment, what happens to kids that can't keep up and drag a school's reputation down?
01-08-2016 , 07:00 PM
They go to schools that don't have a reputation for academic excellence?
01-08-2016 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
El Chapo has been got. Can they keep him?
Depends what their price is this time. He's probably gone before they get to extradite him. Maybe it's better having the devil they know being boss and bringing billions into the country than a bunch of psychopathic upstarts fighting for his place. I'm sure there's good people involved who want to ensure he faces justice this time, but those good people's bosses probably daf and will enjoy spending their fat bribes. Too cynical?

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01-08-2016 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Yes, seriously. I'm skipping past all the 'current public schools are a hell scape that destroys our youth' and talking about his proposed solution.

If schools compete for children, and get funding based on enrollment, what happens to kids that can't keep up and drag a school's reputation down?
That wasn't your question. Your question at least as I understood it was why would parents send their kids to a terrible school?
01-08-2016 , 07:56 PM
Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol is having some sort of paternity/child support thing that I don't care about wherein the child's father is asking for child support. The father in question is Dakota Meyer, who is this guy:

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Anyway, Sarah and Bristol Palin gave statements to Entertainment Tonight, and I'd like to highlight this particular message:
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Bristol's rep, David Martin, also addressed Meyer's legal filing, telling ET, "My values are such that a real American hero doesn't ask for child support."
01-08-2016 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Yes, seriously. I'm skipping past all the 'current public schools are a hell scape that destroys our youth' and talking about his proposed solution.

If schools compete for children, and get funding based on enrollment, what happens to kids that can't keep up and drag a school's reputation down?
Less children go to a **** school. Terrible I know
01-08-2016 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Less children go to a **** school. Terrible I know
But if the charter schools are not obligated to teach students they don't want to, then you are completely ****ing over the most needy students.
01-08-2016 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
thanks



Looks interesting. There was a story from Heterodox Academy in there today. It was interesting but that site's characterization of its aims interests me. I'm broadly sympathetic to the idea of fighting epistemic closure and ideological mono-culture, but their list of "entrenched but questionable orthodoxies" reads disturbingly like a just-slightly-too-intellectual version of "race realism":



I'm not sure what to make of it
It's not entirely surprising that questioning the ideas of a (hypothetical) ideological monoculture would entail saying things that are similar in some ways to what crazy people say.
01-08-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
But if the charter schools are not obligated to teach students they don't want to, then you are completely ****ing over the most needy students.
So the solution is to completely **** over the high-achievers instead?

The most needy students in those environments are often not likely to get anything out of school no matter what you throw at them. Your whole goal imo should be to give options to the high-achievers who need a safe place to learn, and are more likely to serve as role models and give something back to the community. Yes you do your best with the needy kids, but you can't drag down the top kids to do it.

I don't think you have any idea the level of chaos which goes on in an inner-city school. I've listed my experiences before - and that was just junior high. I'm glad I had the experience. But I'd move to Fargo before I put my own kid through something like that. I couldn't do it to them. I'll find other ways to make sure they don't grow up in an ivory tower.

Here's a black kid getting picked on by a bully for "talking white". I saw **** like this every single day.



Imagine how hard it is for good kids to learn in that environment. This is not some anomoly. When I went to Lincoln my first priority by far was not getting my ass kicked every day. If I learned anything it was a bonus. And I'm a pretty big guy that the bullies generally left alone. Other kids, white and black, had it way worse.

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01-08-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
But if the charter schools are not obligated to teach students they don't want to, then you are completely ****ing over the most needy students.
Charter schools aren't the only option for kids to leave to, nor do all charter schools work that way
01-08-2016 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo
Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol is having some sort of paternity/child support thing that I don't care about wherein the child's father is asking for child support. The father in question is Dakota Meyer, who is this guy:

Anyway, Sarah and Bristol Palin gave statements to Entertainment Tonight, and I'd like to highlight this particular message:
Man, the Palins are going to give us multiple generations of white trashy lulz, aren't they.
01-08-2016 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Man, the Palins are going to give us multiple generations of white trashy lulz, aren't they.
Half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we've got to deal with down the road.
01-08-2016 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
That wasn't your question. Your question at least as I understood it was why would parents send their kids to a terrible school?
There was a post before that.
01-08-2016 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
They go to schools that don't have a reputation for academic excellence?
So there will be schools that advertise as being for the mediocre and poor students? I wouldn't think patents would want to acknowledge their kid isn't a super smart special snowflake but I'm probably wrong.
01-08-2016 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we've got to deal with down the road.
Dakota Meyer
D-Money

COINCIDENCE?????
01-08-2016 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
But if the charter schools are not obligated to teach students they don't want to, then you are completely ****ing over the most needy students.
Yeah as opposed to now.

There are multiple ways to do charter schools, most commonly they are required to take everyone and use lotteries if there are too many kids.

I recommend watching this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery_(2010_film)

The school those kids were trying to get out of has like a 15% high school graduation rate.
01-08-2016 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Half the time they impregnate a young, white girl before they leave, which is a real sad thing because then we have another issue we've got to deal with down the road.
He meant Maine girl for chrissake. Just an innocent slip of the tongue. We all accidentally pick up a regular whistle instead of our dogwhistle every once in a while.
01-08-2016 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
Yeah as opposed to now.

There are multiple ways to do charter schools, most commonly they are required to take everyone and use lotteries if there are too many kids.

I recommend watching this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lottery_(2010_film)

The school those kids were trying to get out of has like a 15% high school graduation rate.
Yeah my friends in KC have multiple kids. Once you get the first in the rest are grandfathered. Another friend is sweating it out right now with his 4-year-old. In KC that K-8 French immersion school is really the only charter school option.

Supposedly in LA if you apply to all of them you will probably get into one. But you may not be able to choose the science and math school vs. the music school or w/e. Which explains why the kids sometimes come from 2 hours away. Maybe they can trade with other parents or something.

      
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