Dude. I am just trying to figure out what the daylight has to do with the power being on or off. Last time I checked, the sun stayed on when the power turned off but perhaps I have that backwards. You made it sound like the sunlight somehow proved some forgery when I have not actually seen any indication that they were trying to say it was blackout then and instead they were calling attention to the issue as the TIME piece says just in the same way someone might have a hunger strike to draw attention to child hunger or something. And even if they WERE saying it was a blackout at that moment the daylight wouldn't disprove it.
All of your other stuff is addressing points I was not making.
He's suggesting that closed blinds and candles in the daytime= staged
He's suggesting that closed blinds and candles in the daytime= staged
The TIME piece that linked to this clearly states they were trying to emphasize the plight of of palestinians in gaza, NOT that they were trying to pretend it was a blackout that the daylight somehow disproves.
This was my experience earlier in this thread. I made a totally non-partisan comment and then got a hyperpartisan attack of a response back that strawmaned what I had said into some militant anti-israel guy.
The need to get hyperpartisan - on both sides - of this issue is a huge part of the problem and Gamblor is absolutely contributing to that.
Gamblors aggro because the lines between antisemites and liberals is quite blurred.
The TIME piece that linked to this clearly states they were trying to emphasize the plight of of palestinians in gaza, NOT that they were trying to pretend it was a blackout that the daylight somehow disproves.
I didnt even check out the article so forgive me. You were asking Gamblor about the picture and I was confident that that was what it represented to him. He's posted before in past threads about paliwood.
Gamblors aggro because the lines between antisemites and liberals is quite blurred.
This is incredibly stupid.
edit: to elaborate, it is as stupid as if I said something like "the lines between racists/islamophobists and conservatives on this issue is quite blurred, ergo I may as well paint everything Palestine does as unilaterally good and everything israel does as unilaterally bad because who knows i might be talking to one of the racists at the time".
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I didnt even check out the article so forgive me. You were asking Gamblor about the picture and I was confident that that was what it represented to him. He's posted before in past threads about paliwood.
Well yes it was quite clear he interpreted it as some big forgery where not only were they faking something they were so stupid as to not notice this big tell of the daylight outside...he did this as part of his consistent program to say anything negative about palestine he can and anything positive about israel that he can. Unfortuantely for him, it turns out to have an entirely reasonable explanation as evidenced in the very link he gave.
Well yes it was quite clear he interpreted it as some big forgery where not only were they faking something they were so stupid as to not notice this big tell of the daylight outside...he did this as part of his consistent program to say anything negative about palestine he can and anything positive about israel that he can. Unfortuantely for him, it turns out to have an entirely reasonable explanation as evidenced in the very link he gave.
I wish I didnt try to speak for someone else.
Lets say your right (didnt bother to read article) on picture.
It doesnt bother me that Gamblor is wrong or one sided or whatever. He responds to every random post. I just dont hold him to some diplomatic responsibility of being impartial/correct/noncombative.
I read your intital 2 posts and see that Gamblor used it to do his thing
He feels a strong need to respond to random (often narrow minded) comments whenever they arise and your bland "it's a ****in shame" post just got caught in the violence. You'll be ok
There is a weird asymmetry in your posts. You imply there is a blurring between liberals and anti-semites, you say the posts are often narrow minded, but then despite these criticisms of others you go to some lengths NOT to criticize gamblor saying explicitly absolving him of responsibility in that you don't care if he is precisely the kind of narrow mindedness you just accused others of being.
My point in this thread is this: a responsible, meaningful, constructive discourse to try and ameliorate an entrenched hyperpartisan conflict is not, and cannot, be helped by people who act as hyperpartisans bringing, first and foremost, and unending supply of criticism for the one side and support for the other. Gamblor (rightly, if the poster was indeed doing this) noted how bad it was when someone only spoke ill of israel in every breath, but doesn't seem to acknowledge how he is doing the exact same thing in the most striking manner of anyone in this thread.
A few weeks ago, there was some news about an Egyptian Candid Camera-style TV show where Egyptian intelligentsia and artists had short interviews, and then after they were told that it was for an Israeli TV station.
In one episode, an Egyptian actor slaps the female "hostess", and punches the "producer", says "I hate Jews to death", and everyone has a great laugh and declares him to be a proud patriot.
This should obviously be compared with how Israelis view Arabs in general, as evidenced in an Israeli Candid Camera-type show:
Now, does this mean that all Arabs are racist? Obviously not. In a bit of a twist, let's see what happened this week:
Tawfiq Okasha was on the show, and talked about his friends in Israel, his support for Jewish self-determination, his discussion of Palestinian terror, and his support for exporting natural gas to Israel.
When told that it was a Candid Camera show, he held steadfast in his statements.
Egyptian media is predictably flipping out over this and the talkbacks at the bottom of the articles are particularly viscious, calling him a traitor and saying he should be killed.
So, while the loudest voices want to slaughter "the Jews" and hate anyone that supports them, there are voices of reason and peace in Arab countries.
This should obviously be compared with how Israelis view Arabs in general
Obviously. Yet another unsolicited post by Gamblor that compares how good israel is to how bad arabs are. I am glad you felt the need to make it clear this time that you were not implying all arabs are racists, this really helps your "israel good, palestine bad" argument have a little nuance so keep it up.
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. You made it sound like the sunlight somehow proved some forgery when I have not actually seen any indication that they were trying to say it was blackout then and instead they were calling attention to the issue as the TIME piece says just in the same way someone might have a hunger strike to draw attention to child hunger or something. And even if they WERE saying it was a blackout at that moment the daylight wouldn't disprove it. 
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