forgot what the bill is called. everyone is ****ting on republicans for doing this, and they should buttt google and facebook have been doing this FOR YEARS? and democrats were the ones that let that happen.

Basically republicans are saying, ****, if google and facebook can do it, why not ISPs?

Looking into it, are people making it a bigger deal then what it is? the only problem I have is that it could be a gateway and lead to bigger and worse things.

No they aren't.

Problem is there is no meaningful way to defend our privacy from those who wish to violate it. So people wonder if it's worth fighting for.

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For how many of those years did Dems have complete control of government and the unfettered ability to do anything about it?

Also you're making an apples to oranges comparison: fb and google cannot do what isps can (excluding the small number of towns with google fiber)

This is a critical distinction. Companies like Facebook and Google are limited to data obtained from people using their products, and only while using those products. Everyone has an ISP, and the ISPs can track every single thing you do online. Web site visits, chats, online shopping, online gaming, mobile apps, the whole nine yards. The scope is exponentially bigger.

What's the upside? 'Well it's not super bad it's only a little worse than we have now' but why make things worse at all? Who benefits? Apart from giant monopolistic corporations obviously. But we all love Comcast so lets throw them a bone I guess. They've shown such deftness in customer service they totally deserve it.

Yeah, but it's not like google is very limited. Check the 3rd party cookies on any website. See if Google isn't at least one of them. Facebook too, for that matter.

Not that I'm in any way defending this. I hate it. If nothing else, the last thing I want to do is give Comcast another revenue stream. And hey, who wouldn't trust the champion most hated company in America with all of their intimate browsing information?

Fortunately, once it's bundled and sold, somebody will hack it and wrap it up in a 30 gig torrent that we can all enjoy.

Everyone has a Facebook too. The ISP's are also limited to data obtained from people using their product. Don't see why it's such a big distinction.

An ISP that advertises privacy and no data sharing should launch and let people just sign up for that.

In the dial-up era, that would have worked. Any yahoo could go buy a few modems and start their own ISP. Now, though, broadband has led to convergence between the pipe owner and the ISP, and most people have only two reasonable choices (telco and cableCo). Most municipalities have franchise laws preventing anyone else from laying new infrastructure. "Just get a new phone company, let the market sort it out" isn't an answer.

False

ISPs can track any website you visit, Facebook cannot. You can block third party trackers like those from google.

How come?

I have to admit, i was surprised that it was only put in place last year. That said, for a country who is proud of its self-determination it s a joke that a) it took so long to get such a law and b) that even this most basic privacy rule gets replaced.

Also the argument...
"What A is doing is bad, so instead of regulating it we allow B to do it."
.. sucks

This is bull****. Except for just having a government put laws in place there is also technical protection like encryption.

The NSA does not answer to anybody. Didn't Snowden's revelations teach you anything?

Congress can pass all the laws they want. The NSA will do whatever it wants regardless of all of the House and Senate committees in existence. Its powers are only limited by the technology they have at their disposal.

If it hasn't already been done, then it's a matter of time before 128-bit encryption is broken.

Well, must suck to be American, all left to do is roll over and close your eyes then.

Because the jackbooted thugs don't want to allow the sweet, sweet freedom of dozens of companies digging up the streets.

Same reason this law got passed, telecom lobbyists

You think innocent American citizens are the only innocent people subject to the surveillance state?

There's a reason this sparked worldwide controversy and not just American controversy.

No i don't, my company spends millions each year to not get spied on by America. I am well aware of the problem , sadly Americans arent.

It's not always ignorance to not understand this. The deeper you dig, the more confusing it is for people who aren't technologically inclined. More educated and technologically aware people can grasp the basics of it but to get a grasp on it beyond watching a Frontline documentary, you have to be in IT. Once people go off on a long-winded explanation with tech-heavy jargon, I just glaze over. I couldn't finish reading "No Place to Hide" because the second half of the book reads like a textbook written by a hacker who ran out of porn to masturbate to.

It is not that hard to understand, the government does undermine its citizens civil rights by spying on them and every part of their private life.

Whether it is done by guy watching your window all the time, going through your trash and breaking into your house or by "technology" doesn't make a difference.

Twenty years ago, my mother would call me into the living room if the computer wasn't working.

I spoke to her from across the Atlantic over Skype and she asked me to help troubleshoot her computer about 5 minutes into the conversation.

The reality is that many members of the Baby Boomer generation just go blank the instant they hear words related to technology. To them, this is all science-fiction. To explain encryption to somebody who is computer-illiterate is like teaching the blind to see.

The other major block is American exceptionalism. We have been indoctrinated to believe that America is the city upon a hill that everybody aspires to become. To maintain the image, we must perceive everything America does as good. So if the government is taking away our rights, then they are doing it to protect us and it would be un-American to oppose it. Of course, this logic is ridiculous but it's a belief held by many regardless of the contradictions that betray it.

Ignorance and blind nationalism are extraordinary obstacles to overcome.

People are but it is not difficult to get the message across when the establishment media have no interest in it.

What are YOU doing about it? Because if you aren't doing anything then probably no one else will. That's not an insult it is just the truth. It is a test I apply to myself-if I'm not motivated to try and stop something happening then I'm basically going to have make my peace with it and accept I let it happen.

I don't have to use google or facebook to use the internet. I do have to use an internet service provider. The two are not at all analogous.

Full browsing history to use as a political weapon is a power the KGB or Stasi could only dream of. It make's Big Brother's 2-way-screens seem quaint. The Stasi's motto was "To know everything." Browsing history gets pretty damn close.

Joe Pesci speaks for me