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06-23-2017 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Just a reminder that I issued this challenge in a moment of irritation after people jumped on me when I offered the perfectly reasonable opinion that the Ukranian president's effusive praise of Trump is the kind of thing that could throw a monkey wrench in the anti Trump movement. Because I unwittingly sent people to Breitbart to watch the video. They disparaged my "critical thinking" skills even though way fewer than one in ten thousand could equal my standardized test scores (given less than the normally allotted time) when I was in high school. I admit I don't deserve much credit for this since it was all genetic, from a father whose IQ was off the charts. But I had a weak moment when the criticisms of my thinking ability became ridiculous. I don't think many of you have have written fourteen books (three on Amazon's top 100 at the same time) and patented three games, all of which depended on thinking ability. Or got perfect scores on both the math and science sections on the National Merit Scholarship exam.

But maybe I underestimating what age has done to my mind. I'm assuming I have lost about 60%. If its 90% some of you may have a chance.
I lol'd at the Breitbart link, but I don't think it was fair to challenge your critical thinking skills. I don't think the two are related.

That said you linked to a source that publishes stories such as

'Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy'
‘Political Correctness Protects Muslim Rape Culture’'
‘Video Shows Planned Parenthood Executive Sought to Hide Profits from Baby-Parts Sales’
‘Would You Rather Your Child Had Feminism or Cancer?’

Of course people are going to **** on you for that.
06-23-2017 , 01:33 AM
Feminism obv. What kind of ****ed up question is that?
06-23-2017 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by RainierWolfcastle
If someone has a phd in math or physics, wouldn't getting a perfect score on the SAT math test be trivially easy?
As someone that used to tutor SATs, LSATs, and GMATs, I can tell you this is just not true. A high score (95+ percentile for SAT math. LSAT logic reasoning is a special beast and can keep people in the 90s unless they practice. GMAT also gets into rather esoteric stuff if you want to get higher than 90th percentile) is probably trivial but perfect scores on these exams require specific types of thinking and a lot of practice even for genius level intellect.
06-23-2017 , 03:33 AM
i think this is a trump type of behavior from david. trump believes his whole business hinges on the public believing he's a very very wealthy rich rich man. david could very reasonably believe his writing career hinges on him being known and accepted as a very very objectively smart person. this whole challenge is a big negative freeroll for the david sklansky brand. such hubris.
06-23-2017 , 03:59 AM
I'd like to think I could win the math sat challenge. David has more time than me though.
06-23-2017 , 05:03 AM
LSAT is easy. I don't see how anyone literate would get less than a 170 without being a complete moron or a future lawyer.
06-23-2017 , 05:43 AM
I appreciate David laying it all on the line for something he did 50 years ago. Next up is a shortest refractory period challenge based on when he was 20.

By the way it's not necessarily losing your mind it's more that those tests are geared to test the skills and altitude of younger people and they often ignore the benefits of increased experience and knowledge bring to the table. Also you are leaving out the challenge made zero sense in the context of the discussion. People were taking shots at you based on past things you said when you made a mistake. This is fairly standard even amongst people who are friendly and don't believe the other to be silly.

You snap threw down the gauntlet in a way that made zero sense with zero connection. The funny thing is many people have posted stuff from breitbart in the past but it was always with the knowledge they know what kind of site it is. It's pretty common on this forum to be selective about sources when linking to legitimate news because any legitimate story will be covered by many news outlets and thus no need to promote or enhance a pretty horrible and dangerous site. That's it people were taking the piss out of you for being unthinking about that or just ignorant about breitbart and you literally snapped.

I don't say any of this to disuade you from being David. You do you. I often enjoy it.

By the way I just joined PLO university in support of this thread and challenge.

Last edited by markksman; 06-23-2017 at 05:54 AM.
06-23-2017 , 05:58 AM
There are like, ethical issues with taking money from the infirm, but David, man, the issue wasn't really your logical skills but more than you never know what you're talking about. Knowledge, not intelligence.

I'm not sure how you'd measure that with a standardized test but it takes someone who doesn't even know the ****ing BASICS of the Trump/Russia connection to imagine a ****ing politician being polite on a state visit "could throw a monkey wrench in the anti Trump movement."

That you followed up on that by "unwittingly" linking to Breitbart is was just icing on the fundamentally having no idea what's going on cake.
06-23-2017 , 06:15 AM
a big lol at those who think Brietbart isn't a fine link by the way

and holy logical fallacy with the whole "Breitbart said it therefore it's no good prima facie"
06-23-2017 , 06:21 AM
How is a highly measurable open challenge going to meet a taker who is not a "ringer" (escape hatch imo) given the population size of 2p2 readers who are already smarter than average?
06-23-2017 , 06:22 AM
Not a reg in this forum but someone mentioned this thread to me

I will take up to 50k action on lsat must be escrowed
06-23-2017 , 06:23 AM
IN


06-23-2017 , 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Zorkman
a big lol at those who think Brietbart isn't a fine link by the way

and holy logical fallacy with the whole "Breitbart said it therefore it's no good prima facie"
Most of our libertarian conservative brethren have started to realize that breitbart is not helpful to our fundamental goals. We need to work together to further our agenda so I hope you will take the time to review breitbart and see how it does not match our libertarian conservative ideals.
06-23-2017 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
Most of our libertarian conservative brethren have started to realize that breitbart is not helpful to our fundamental goals. We need to work together to further our agenda so I hope you will take the time to review breitbart and see how it does not match our libertarian conservative ideals.
I read it regularly already. How does it not, specifically, meet our ideals?
06-23-2017 , 07:37 AM
I got $200 I wanna bet on Kid Bobo.
06-23-2017 , 08:03 AM
As with any of these threads the smartest bet is usually that no bets will occur.
06-23-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Just a reminder that I issued this challenge in a moment of irritation after people jumped on me when I offered the perfectly reasonable opinion that the Ukranian president's effusive praise of Trump is the kind of thing that could throw a monkey wrench in the anti Trump movement. Because I unwittingly sent people to Breitbart to watch the video. They disparaged my "critical thinking" skills even though way fewer than one in ten thousand could equal my standardized test scores (given less than the normally allotted time) when I was in high school. I admit I don't deserve much credit for this since it was all genetic, from a father whose IQ was off the charts. But I had a weak moment when the criticisms of my thinking ability became ridiculous. I don't think many of you have have written fourteen books (three on Amazon's top 100 at the same time) and patented three games, all of which depended on thinking ability. Or got perfect scores on both the math and science sections on the National Merit Scholarship exam.

But maybe I underestimating what age has done to my mind. I'm assuming I have lost about 60%. If its 90% some of you may have a chance.
I don't know if I qualify here because I don't recall ever criticizing your critical thinking scores, just your posting, and I stand by my statement that your posting (at least in politics) is awful.

Anyway, I think the problem is less that you overestimate yourself (although this is certainly possible, probable even, I really have no way of knowing how well you would do on a standardized test today) and more that you underestimate the other posters here.

For example, I would be perfectly willing to bet a relatively small amount on SAT Math (maybe up to $2k) because I'm confident I can get an 800 on it a large portion of the time. It's basically just a question of not making stupid mistakes. I probably wouldn't bet on the LSAT (or I would, but only nominal amounts, maybe a few hundred $$) because I have no idea what's on it.

If I actually thought you were stupid, or even average, or even slightly above average, I would snap take either bet up to like 95% of my net worth.

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Originally Posted by grizy
As someone that used to tutor SATs, LSATs, and GMATs, I can tell you this is just not true. A high score (95+ percentile for SAT math. LSAT logic reasoning is a special beast and can keep people in the 90s unless they practice. GMAT also gets into rather esoteric stuff if you want to get higher than 90th percentile) is probably trivial but perfect scores on these exams require specific types of thinking and a lot of practice even for genius level intellect.
I can't speak to the LSAT or GMAT but I think the perfect score on the math section of the SAT should be eminently doable from anyone with a math background.

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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
As with any of these threads the smartest bet is usually that no bets will occur.
I will bet you $200k that a bet occurs in this thread. Quote this post in this thread and reply "booked" to book.
06-23-2017 , 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The LSAT bet is only open to people who have claimed here that I don't think well. No ringers. Unless you want to change it to the math SAT. For that any Politics regular is OK. Especially if they have a Phd in math or physics. Don't forget I have only one year of college and am 69 years old. It should be free money
Here's a multiquote of all the mean things I've ever said about you and your books. Are we on?

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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Did Mason actually claim to have 50 FTEs? If so, what could they possibly be doing? A few web guys, an editor (specifically, an enthusiastic golden retriever who's been trained to operate a rotating lottery drum containing rubber stamps of random punctuation marks, the phrase "Do you see why?" and a typesetting instruction to "use the big cards!" and stamp manuscripts with whatever stamp he pulls out of the drum), maybe some back-office/accounting guys, but who else? Are they running an actual printing press or something?
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Now we know what happens to ideas that are too dumb to qualify for a Sklansky post.
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Surely you've been here long enough to know that you don't put this much effort into responding to a Sklansky, right?
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
I guess I see his response as kind of boilerplate? I mean, noted political analyst David Sklansky was all over the possibility that Ted Cruz would stand up to Trump because of all the personal insults Trump heaped on him and his family during the campaign. He's basically just saying that he stabbed Trump in the back for the very obvious reasons everyone thought he might stab Trump in the back over.
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
There is actually an interesting question (why is the Vietnam War less popular than the Korean War?), but the bolded is insane! Obama's policy towards Vietnam is presumably based on his perception of American interests today, not his judgments about the merits of a 40-year-old war.
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
What the actual **** are you talking about? Germans thought the Jews were driving a global conspiracy aimed at destroying the German nation through financial and ideological control. The Nazis specifically believed that communism was a Jewish plot and that the Western allies and the USSR were under Jewish control and that it was all part of a grand plan to wipe out the Aryan race. So from your (completely invalid) perspective, proposed Muslim registration is actually worse than the Nuremberg laws, because the Nazis were at least worried about having their nation wiped off the map, while modern day bigots are just worried about a mass shooting or two.

Honestly what the **** is going on these days.
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Really looking forward to the new Sklansky book on Kant, Do You See Why If We Take Away the Subject, or Even Only the Subjective Constitution of our Senses in General, Then Not Only the Nature and Relations of Objects in Space and Time, but Even Space and Time Themselves Disappear; and That These, as Appearances, Cannot Exist in Themselves, but Only in Us?: Fighting Fuzzy Thinking in Politics, Gaming, and Life.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=22578 (couldn't quote from a locked thread, but it accuses you of "an embarrassing misapplication of statistics"!)
06-23-2017 , 09:47 AM
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I will bet you $200k that a bet occurs in this thread. Quote this post in this thread and reply "booked" to book.
you need will#### from PU to take a bet like this.
06-23-2017 , 09:52 AM
Yeah but he wouldn't pay.
06-23-2017 , 09:55 AM
I would like to challenge Mat Sklansky to a $20 game of Connect Four, is this the thread for that?
06-23-2017 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
The LSAT bet is only open to people who have claimed here that I don't think well. No ringers. Unless you want to change it to the math SAT. For that any Politics regular is OK. Especially if they have a Phd in math or physics. Don't forget I have only one year of college and am 69 years old. It should be free money
This is interesting to me - I was going to say that this thread is a bit harsh, as DS was just hacked off about something and spouted off (like most of us has at some point on the internets) and it didn't seem like a true open challenge. But, this is saying that anyone with a Phd is OK. Seems pretty open.
06-23-2017 , 10:02 AM
When is Sklansky going to get over his underachievement complex?
06-23-2017 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DTD
This is interesting to me - I was going to say that this thread is a bit harsh, as DS was just hacked off about something and spouted off (like most of us has at some point on the internets) and it didn't seem like a true open challenge. But, this is saying that anyone with a Phd is OK. Seems pretty open.
I sort of agree with this. I don't think David has an obligation or anything to do a bet with me or anyone else. People get annoyed and say stuff, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. But if that's what it was, he should retract the challenge.
06-23-2017 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
As with any of these threads the smartest bet is usually that no bets will occur.

I nominate tomdemaine!

      
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