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Old 05-17-2017, 09:56 PM   #101
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the first headline i heard on the radio is that Mueller gets 60 days merely to propose a budget for this investigation. This is going to take some time. Rachel is going into depth right now about details.
Nixon didn't resign until well over a year after the Senate Watergate hearings started, FWIW.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:41 PM   #102
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It's good for it to take time. Need it to drag into 2018.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:52 PM   #103
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Nixon didn't resign until well over a year after the Senate Watergate hearings started, FWIW.
Trump is moving at lightning speed tho, trying to beat Nixon's record. It's all about the ratings.
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Old 05-17-2017, 10:55 PM   #104
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If you oppose Trump, the GOP and their agendas, you should hope for a slow burn of an investigation. If Trump resigns tomorrow, or gets impeached next month, then we get President Pence who will work to the best of his ability to get as much of the GOP agenda enacted as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:01 PM   #105
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You had to wait until the 6:30 news in Nixon's day. Life comes at you fast now
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:18 PM   #106
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given that it is highly unlikely that Trump himself colluded with Russia, what exactly will it take for GOP to impeach him? Or is it just a matter of GOP calculating that keeping him in place will be more costly than impeaching him?
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:21 AM   #107
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given that it is highly unlikely that Trump himself colluded with Russia, what exactly will it take for GOP to impeach him? Or is it just a matter of GOP calculating that keeping him in place will be more costly than impeaching him?
Non-Fox Source?
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:41 AM   #108
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given that it is highly unlikely that Trump himself colluded with Russia, what exactly will it take for GOP to impeach him? Or is it just a matter of GOP calculating that keeping him in place will be more costly than impeaching him?

It's highly likely he did collude with Russia

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Obstruction of justice


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Witness intimidation.

This list is endless
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:49 AM   #109
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If you oppose Trump, the GOP and their agendas, you should hope for a slow burn of an investigation. If Trump resigns tomorrow, or gets impeached next month, then we get President Pence who will work to the best of his ability to get as much of the GOP agenda enacted as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Let's be friends with world oligarchs and dictators (ie turkey/russia/china/etc) and let trump keep gaining control as long as possible; great strategy. Personally I think it's insane people are really willing to risk that becoming permanent over an extra R policy getting through.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:59 AM   #110
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The odds of Pence being allowed to stick around if Trump gets impeached are pretty lo tho no? They're fingercuffed together in all likelihood.
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Old 05-18-2017, 01:45 AM   #111
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The odds of Pence being allowed to stick around if Trump gets impeached are pretty lo tho no? They're fingercuffed together in all likelihood.
disagree, R's have tried to keep him out of most of it, they'll try to save him.
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:43 AM   #112
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Pence might actually be worse because he's not an incompetent self-idolizing child and might be able to push legislation through.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:53 AM   #113
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If you oppose Trump, the GOP and their agendas, you should hope for a slow burn of an investigation.
Everything slows down now. History shows that when a special counsel is appointed the other investigations tend to suspend operations so as not to interfere with the counsel's investigation.
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Old 05-18-2017, 04:57 AM   #114
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Everything slows down now. History shows that when a special counsel is appointed the other investigations tend to suspend operations so as not to interfere with the counsel's investigation.
History was never Trumped before. Very recent history has taught us that.

Also, nice wishful thinking. Our country comes first though.
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:14 AM   #115
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History was never Trumped before. Very recent history has taught us that.

Also, nice wishful thinking. Our country comes first though.
The country stands for honest investigation and Mueller seems unlikely to arrange an unfair prosecution, he strikes me as someone who does not need that extra 15 minutes of fame. While Russia is guilty, nothing has pointed to actual collusion by the campaign, it has all been innuendo. At most we will see perjury charges if someone is foolish enough to lie under oath. But Trump will not be affected in the end.
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:12 AM   #116
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Mueller's a rock-solid choice for this. Dems should be pleased, but should also be prepared for the possibility that this doesn't produce an ironclad smoking gun against Trump himself, or that anything will happen even if it does. And yeah lol it's going to take a while.

But it's a start and now (finally) there's hope for a real investigation that this POTUS has clearly made a large effort to stamp out of existence.
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:49 AM   #117
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It's highly likely he did collude with Russia

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Obstruction of justice


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This list is endless
Those are the things that would be grounds for impeachment. But are those things enough for GOP to impeach him?
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Old 05-18-2017, 06:52 AM   #118
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https://www.justsecurity.org/40870/m...cus-collusion/
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Old 05-18-2017, 07:33 AM   #119
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Those are the things that would be grounds for impeachment. But are those things enough for GOP to impeach him?
Not that I "know" anything, (everything is speculation at this point), but I suspect Trump is fearing exposure of his financial dealings with Putin and Russia. If the joke House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy blurted out last June, (i.e. "Trump and Rorabacher are being paid by Putin ... Swear to God!") If that "joke" is true, there's a good chance special counsel Robert Mueller will uncover violations of various financial laws. (One possibility is the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act - a law which Trump has complained about going so far as to declare that the FCPA should be repealed.) That's one possibility.

Trump may have decided to get into bed with Putin and Russia due to his history of filing for bankruptcy here in the United States. American banks, after getting stiffed by Trump three times for multi-million dollar loans that Trump never repaid, decided they would no longer finance Trump's hotels, golf courses, and other real estate developments. This was no problem for Team Trump. As his son Eric explained in a 2014 interview, not having access to investment financing in America is no problem. According to Eric, his dad was getting financing from Russia.

Even Richard Fuld Jr., the disgraced former Lehman Brothers CEO, balked at doing business with Russia. According to Vicky Ward's book "The Devil's Casino" (page 112), "Fuld had always been wary of investing in Russia. He often called the place 'the world's biggest f***ing crime syndicate.'" So, where Dick Fuld feared to tread, there goes Donald Trump.

This may all turn out to be moot if the co-author of Trump's "The Art of the Deal" book turns out to be right. Mr. Schwartz is predicting that Trump will resign before he faces impeachment. (Schwartz claims that Trump is in full meltdown - he's screaming at his son-in-law Jared Kushner and may even snap at Ivanka if she says the wrong thing.) Schwartz thinks Trump will resign and try to claim victory. Mr. Schwartz believes Trump's ego is so fragile that he simply can't handle unrelenting pressure and criticism. (The Donald greatly prefers having people tell him how great he is ...) The thought of "losing" (at anything) supposedly terrorizes The Donald - according to Mr. Schwartz.

If Trump doesn't want details of his dealings with Putin and Russia exposed, it would make sense for him to resign in order to keep all that under wraps.

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Old 05-18-2017, 09:45 AM   #120
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Those are the things that would be grounds for impeachment. But are those things enough for GOP to impeach him?
misread your question.

the answer to that question

Nothing.

Never going to happen
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Old 05-18-2017, 09:49 AM   #121
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If you want to see an impeachment (which I suspect which mostly be a dog and pony show anyway, as you'll never get 67 Senators to vote to convict on anything) get started now volunteering and registering voters. We need to turn the House Blue in 2018 to have any realistic chance of that happening.

I do think an impeachment trial could be useful as it could focus the public on the real facts of the case (many of which we still don't know). But yeah we need to start fighting for 2018 like our democracy depends on it.

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Old 05-18-2017, 10:13 AM   #122
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Campaigning to win a majority in the House so that we can impeach Trump doesn't sound like a winning campaign theme for 2018.
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:32 AM   #123
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If you want to see an impeachment (which I suspect which mostly be a dog and pony show anyway, as you'll never get 67 Senators to vote to convict on anything) get started now volunteering and registering voters. We need to turn the House Blue in 2018 to have any realistic chance of that happening.

I do think an impeachment trial could be useful as it could focus the public on the real facts of the case (many of which we still don't know). But yeah we need to start fighting for 2018 like our democracy depends on it.

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What happens when the facts surrounding the impeachment implicate some of the very same people in charge of voting for or against it?
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Old 05-18-2017, 10:59 AM   #124
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Campaigning to win a majority in the House so that we can impeach Trump doesn't sound like a winning campaign theme for 2018.
You're joking right? It's the winning message. That and the fact that Republicans want to take health care away from millions of people and give tax cuts to the rich. It's a perfect one-two punch.
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Old 05-18-2017, 11:08 AM   #125
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Obviously the Trump/Impeachment/scandal stuff will be going on, but I think the majority of the Dems messaging should be more like Bernie. Yeah, talk about Trump, but don't stop going back to inequality, justice, health, education, etc. Be for something, not just against.
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